Star Wars: The Last Jedi opens with Po Dameron pushing a ridiculous and unbelievable plan that gets a lot of people killed, and ends with him walking away a hero. He should have been killed in the middle of this movie as a consquence of a whole chain of reckless and stupid decisions but somehow comes out shining; I can’t say the same for my commitment to the Star Wars genre, after a similar sequence of staggeringly stupid decisions on my part. After sitting through five terrible movies even when I should have known better, I have given up on this whole thing. This fan is burnt out from all the bullshit, and this bullshit is nowhere better seen than in the latest putrid installment, a festering two and a half hours of stupidity, poor decisions, treachery to the original canon, and flagrantly bad movie making. Everything it could do wrong it did. It has a terrible plot; it can’t decide if it is a comedy, a human drama, a romance, a fantasy, a cowboy movie or a space opera, and it can’t do any part of its smorgasbord of genres at all well. It has awful characters: Po Dameron is an entitled little shit who needs to die; Rei has been drained of all her spark and vibrancy; Kylo Ren may have improved over his execrable performance in the previous movie but he is still a bullshit character whose motivations make no sense and who just cannot command any gravitas at all; and far from being the wise-cracking cynic I was promised Luke Skywalker is just a whingey old sad-sack hiding on an island, the central emotional hook for all his actions obviously transparent bullshit. Princess Leia, of course, has been hijacked and ruined in this movie. The technology is ridiculous, and the Star Wars universe has been transformed from one with cool but anachronistic tech to a series of penis-waving boys’ toys, everyone intended to outdo the previous one – perhaps in order to keep the viewer from noticing that this whole thing is a stack of steaming horseshit – in such a flagrantly obvious way that it’s kind of pathetic; and then anyway as soon as they introduce the new super powerful tech the writers do something dumb with the script that completely undermines everything that was great about the new tech. That’s bad screen writing. And did I mention the script? It’s appalling. As is the acting, the special effects, and the choreography. Also the jokes – which even if they were good serve simply to undermine whatever else is happening at the time – are genuinely lame. And what in this wide universe is going on with the PETA sub-plot? How did anyone think that was going to fit in? Or the stupid children in the stables – one of whom looks so much like Oliver Twist that I was sure he was going to burst into song. Is that meant to be inspirational, or is it a teaser to the possibility that Episode 9 is going to be an actual musical? Perhaps we’ll have to suffer through three hours of Les Miserables in space?
This movie is just a pile of junk, and a pitifully obvious attempt to milk the last loyal fans of this bloated franchise. The whole thing is kept going by fans who are too devoted to stop, and treacherous cinema critics who give the Star Wars series an easy pass because it is a fan favourite. The Guardian gave this waste of 2.5 hours of my life five stars. I’m sorry, I can understand having differences of opinion on the quality of a movie but this movie was not anywhere near five – I could forgive giving this obvious one star bloated carcass a three because you’re not a seasoned sci-fi aficionado, but five!? Anyone who gets their movie criticism so wrong should be sacked. Now you might say “All these critics say it’s great and just you faustusnotes say it’s bad, surely they can’t all be wrong”? And I reply: Yes, yes they all are. You can believe me, and not waste your money on this insult to our childhood memories, or you can burn a couple of hours of your life and come out angry at the director, and angry at yourself for not listening to me. Here’s my tip: Wait for it to come out on TV, and spend the money on having someone hammer your kneecaps with a mallet. It’ll be more rewarding.
— SPOILER WARNING —
[From here below are specific detailed criticisms, which include spoilers, so if you haven’t seen the movie yet and are still dumb enough to ignore my advice, please don’t read further. I suggest you book mark this though so you can come back afterwards and curse yourself for ignoring my advice]
The central problem of this movie is that it’s poorly written, but there are some specific and serious problems that either really let this movie down, or serve to create further trouble for the entire Star Wars effort. These bigger problems are also the reason I’m not going to waste further time on the central movies of this whole dead horse series, because the willingness of multiple Directors to piss all over the original movies’ entire purpose shows clearly the contempt with which they view fans of these movies. It’s not just a question of not wanting to waste my money on movies that are going to be predictably bad – it’s also about not giving these people a reward for ruining something that was once great. And now these movies are becoming such a drag on the whole universe that I’m starting to question my love for the originals. When it reaches the point where these movies are – in typical JJ Abrams style! – reaching back in time to ruin your childhood memories, it’s time to cut and run. So here are some specific examples of the deep contempt with which Rian Johnson treated his viewers.
Po Dameron is a traitor who needs to die: In the very first scene of the movie Po Dameron – the shining white boy hope of this movie, apparently – goes on a reckless mission that is just patently obviously stupid, and refuses to follow orders and retreat. His mission ultimately succeeds so in the middle of the movie, certain of his own rightness, he launches an actual mutiny on a rebel ship, and sends Fin and Rose (a new character) on a mission that ultimately leads to the betrayal of the Rebellion’s plans and the death of most of its members. When his mutiny fails and he is recaptured he attracts absolutely zero consequences, when in fact he should have been spaced, and at the very end emerges with his reputation and rank unharmed by his treachery that directly led to the death of most of the entire fucking rebellion. This is an obvious flaw in the story, since the Rebellion is meant to be a military operation but here they are rewarding open traitors, but it’s also a sign of how desperately cynical these people are and how stupid the reviewers who watched this movie are. At a time when there is a mediocre – and probably treasonous – white man in the White House, at the time of the #metoo movement, we get a movie from the heart of the world of sexually harassing lazy white men, in which a lazy, stupid and reckless white man gets lots of people killed, and he gets no penalty at all for his actions, and gets hailed as a hero. As if this weren’t shocking enough, reviewers you might respect actually say that his character has really developed, and see him as a character worth engaging with rather than a flim-flam jock who should be spaced. Lots of reviews of this movie have mentioned that the entire Finn/Rose side mission is a distraction from the main point of the movie but as far as I can tell none have noticed that Po Dameron needs to be spaced. This is fucking shocking. This mission and Po’s actions had me absolutely seething. What do the script writers and the director take us for when they dump this crap on us? Have they no respect for their audience at all?
The movie doesn’t know what it is: The first third of this movie is basically a comedy, with a few asides to a supposedly serious drama involving Rei and Luke Skywalker, or Rei and Kylo Ren, which also include jokes that are supposed to be funny (I guess) but are just lame clangers. These jokes seriously let down what little gravity any other part of the plot is trying to develop, and really do give much of the movie a feeling of being a kind of Christmas Special, not a serious movie. Yes the original Star Wars movies had light asides, but a lot of it was actually genuinely funny ascerbic banter between Solo and Leia, that was in context and most importantly actually funny, not lame one liners or silly slapstick comedy involving really stupid looking aliens, or really weak attempts at humour that fall flat like Rei’s absolutely appalling “can’t you at least wear a cowl or something” to Kylo Ren when he’s half naked. The movie keeps flicking from these serious attempts at character drama to these lame asides, and it really ruins any attempt to set up a serious arc of character development. Star Wars is not a comedy, but it’s fast become laughable.
The core characters are weak: Rei had a lot of zest in the previous movie and was one of its few saving graces, but she has become an insipid weakling in this, a supplicant to the big men in her life. Her relationship with Kylo Ren – which by the way is utter bullshit, see my complaint below about the newfound powers of the force – and the way it is easily used to fool her into her own destruction is a complete betrayal of everything she stood for in the first movie, a backstabbing of every woman who had thought this series might move forward on the back of a strong female character. Her attempts to win over Luke Skywalker come across as weak, and just let her down as a character. Meanwhile the other two men in her life – Skywalker and Ren – are just terrible. First we get this speech where Snoke[1] basically acknowledges that the Kylo Ren of the Force Awakens was a pissy emo shithead, which has to be unheard of in modern cinema, the director using a character’s speech to admit that his critics were right and in the previous movie his character was a pissant. Then we get this weird emotional rollercoaster where Ren goes up and down between being evil and being good, where we’re meant to believe – I suppose – that he’s having some kind of crisis of confidence, then at the end the way it’s written we’re not sure if he was going through a crisis of confidence or if he was just being really super manipulative. And through all this he remains an emo shit, whiney and doing dumb and adolescent things like punching walls. He doesn’t project strength, just an overwhelming sense of insecurity. Then we have Skywalker, who one review describes as a cynical wise cracker, but who is actually just a whiney sad sack, hiding out on an island and running away from everything he is responsible for because he fucked up with Kylo Ren. The central idea here – expressed by Luke himself, not inferred by me – is that he believes he failed because he didn’t stop Ren from becoming evil. But this is obviously bullshit – Ren became evil by himself and his own choice, not because Skywalker wasn’t wise enough. Nobody believes for a moment that anything else happens, so why do the script writers and director try to convince us that this tired and pathetic guilt trip is either a) viable or b) noble? Someone needs to slap Luke in the face and tell him to grow the fuck up. Also, this movie is called the Last Jedi, and at the end Luke says “I’m not the last jedi.” Is this also a first in cinematic fuck ups, where one of the central characters admit that the movie has the wrong name? I don’t know, maybe they should have called it The Next Jedi. Or better still, the Whiney Old Sad Sack Jedi who Should Just Fucking Die Already. Which he does, voluntarily – I count three suicides or attempted suicides in this movie – why not just turn up and do it in person you coward, instead of projecting your image across the universe and doing it quietly at home? Talk about Millenials being lazy and cowardly … which brings me to …
This movie further wrecked the force: In the original movies the force is a quite constrained power that enables its practitioners to – with considerable effort – levitate objects near them, operate light sabers, achieve fairly impressive feats of physical acrobatics, sense each others’ presence within a reasonable distance (possibly planetary) and sense mass murder on an interstellar basis. In the three prequels we discover the force is a virus, but in the new movies we were promised that that dumb idea would be pissed down the memory hole. In exchange we discover that any unqualified dufus can operate a light saber, but now we also discover that the force enables its practitioners to do incredible feats of great power, such as make them almost super human. It enables Princess Leia to survive a direct hit from a photon torpedo, followed by being spaced, and to fly back into her spaceship. It enables Kylo Ren and Rei to communicate visually over interstellar distances – a feat, we should remember, that Darth Vader explicitly could never do, having to rely instead on holograms – and it enables Luke Skywalker to project his image with life size and lifelike perfection across the galaxy, and to manipulate it with such accuracy that another Jedi is tricked into thinking he is killing Actual Luke. This is the worst kind of grade inflation here, since we now know that basically you can do anything with the force. Why waste time on soldiers? Just send in a single illusory force dude from the other side of the universe! When will this inflation end? Will Kylo Ren be tearing planets apart with his mind by the end of episode 12[2]?
The power inflation of technology was ridiculous: First we see a Dreadnought, which is like a star destroyer on steroids, and we’re meant to believe it’s super scary, only within about 30 minutes this is outdone by Snoke’s personal star destroyer, which is like four times bigger again. Also, no actor in history should ever have to utter the phrase “Battering Ram Cannon.” You mean a really big gun? Why not just say it? What a joke!
The super powerful tech is betrayed by the writers: When the Dreadnought appears it certainly looks scary, and we’re led to believe it’s the most powerful star destroyer in the First Order fleet, but then Po Dameron goes on a solo run across the surface of this super star destroyer and blows up every single cannon, clearing a pathway for the Rebel bombers to then come in and destroy it easily. It goes down to a tiny rebel fleet with way greater ease than it took to even damage a smaller star destroyer in Return of the Jedi. To be clear, there’s no reason for this: The Rebels could have had a bigger fleet, or been chased by normal star destroyers, or had some other plan that wasn’t so obviously intended to make the Dreadnought seem like a pissy under-powered ship. Why introduce a super-powered ship and then have it undone by a plot involving a single x-wing, making it weaker than any previous ship in any previous movie? Answer: Because you’re a bad writer. But this isn’t the only example of this. When the First Order bring out their “Battering Ram Cannon” to break down the walls of the rebel base, all the rebels are super scared that if it gets put to use it will break down the doors and then they will have to fight the First Order troops. So what do they do to stop it from breaking down the walls and making them vulnerable to the superior first order forces? They go outside the doors to attack the first order forces! Furthermore, this super powerful cannon is so powerful that … Finn, flying in a rust bucket tiny vehicle with literal actual holes in it, can enter the beam of the cannon and take several seconds inside it and still not die – then moments later while still inside the beam, get hit by another rust bucket flyer and have his own flyer get torn apart by the impact. So the “Battering Ram Cannon” is … weaker than a shitty second rate flyer? And does less damage than a microwave oven? This is awful writing. But it’s far from the worst crime these writers committed …
The movie betrays core plot elements of the original movies: Picture the scene at rebel HQ in A New Hope as the death star is approaching the rebel base. A general makes a desperate plan and tells his colleagues about it: “We will send a small force of small ships that need to enter this tiny trench that is heavily defended, fly its whole length, and drop a photon torpedo into a hole no larger than a bantha. It’s the only weak point.” Someone at the back raises their hand, “Uh, sir?” He gestures for them to speak. “Well, um, we could just send a single cruiser into the system behind the death star, then have it jump into hyperspace through the death star at close range. It’ll tear the death star apart and kill everyone on board instantly.” General ponders. “Sure! Let’s do that!” Then looks at Leia and asks “Why did you waste your time getting the secret plans to the death star’s only weakness if we can just tear it apart by sending a cruiser into hyperspace through it?” Leia shrugs, and uses her enormous force powers to tear the general’s head off.
Doesn’t make sense? Well it should now, because both of those things happened in this movie. Apparently a single small cruiser can tear apart the biggest star destroyer the galaxy has ever seen by simply pointing at it and entering hyperspace. And apparently Princess Leia has incredibly force powers that enable her to survive a direct hit with a photon torpedo followed by being spaced, and fly through space back inside the ship she was just ejected from. Did you know that Princess Leia had such active force powers? Why didn’t she use them to escape the star destroyer back in A New Hope? Or to help Han Solo escape Boba Fett? Why, in fact, did any of the plots of the first three movies happen at all, when Princess Leia had Jedi powers and a single cruiser piloted by a single person can destroy a death star? The answer, my friends, is that none of these things used to be true but now they are, and if you aren’t able to employ the Doublethink required to align these two entirely different perspectives on the core characters of the canon, then you probably shouldn’t waste your money on any more movies in this series.
The weird animal rights sub plot: There is an absolutely appallingly bad seen in which Chewie roasts a space puffin over an open fire, and is about to eat the space puffin when these other space puffins turn up and make him feel guilty so he stops. Then there is another weird part of the whole Finn/Rose being traitorous sub plot where they go to a planet renowned for its horse racing and we get a little aside about how cruel the racing is, and the animals all get freed (after, weirdly, being raced which is not bad if Finn and Rose do it). Where did this weird animal rights sub plot come from? Did PETA sponsor this movie? Why is it in this movie? With 2.5 hours of this shit, do we really have spare time for a couple of asides about animal rights? Also, while we’re at it, the moralizing about arms dealers being the worse people in the universe, only to find out that they also deal to the rebellion, was just incomprehensible and weird. First of all, I doubt that the First Order – an organization so large it spans galaxies and is able to build a death star the size of a planet – buys its small arms from small independent dealers. I suspect the First Order have a full procurement system in place, and all major tech is – like the Death Star – made in house. So wtf is going on with this whole aside about the arms dealers? And also, if you want to make them seem like bad people, don’t immediately reveal that they also deal arms to the good guys. Doesn’t that just kind of mean that the whole thing is a wash? Or should the good guys not have guns? Because I didn’t notice them being very pacifist when they flew that cruiser at hyperspeed into that star destroyer and killed the hundreds of thousands of people on board. This kind of sub plot is just weird.
The special effects and choreography were awful: I mentioned that Chewie tried to eat a roasted space puffin. The roasted space puffin he was about to eat was so obviously plastic that it was distracting. Princess Leia’s flight back into the space ship after she survived being spaced (and hit with a photon torpedo) was such a lame piece of Mary Poppins-esque christmas card glittering over the top wank that I couldn’t believe I was watching it. And the fight in the throne room between Kylo Ren and Rei against the Imperial Guards was just terribly hamfisted. There was one point where one of the actors clearly stepped carefully under a pole arm and placed himself in the position of being throttled. Pathetic.
A brief note for the reviewers: Most reviewers gave this movie four or five stars. Why? This is a serious dereliction of your duty to the public. This movie was a stain on cinema, and you gave it top marks, said it was the best yet. Why did you do that? Aren’t you serious about your job as a reviewer? I am deeply disappointed in these people. How can I judge whether to bother seeing a movie if the reviewers are going to straight up lie to me about how good it is? At least I now know one form of quality control for movie reviewers – I can check how many stars they gave The Last Jedi, and judge all their other reviews accordingly.
Other minor details: How come nobody knew the planet was there? How do you hide a fucking planet? Why did the lasers fired at the rebel cruiser arc through space – were they not light? If they were not light, where was the gravitational force so powerful that it could visibly blend them? When did fucking fuel become an issue in any scene of Star Wars ever? This was the central issue driving the tension of the entire movie and it’s never been raised in any of these movies ever before! Why did nobody listen when Princess Leia demoted Po Dameron, and he remained “commander” for the rest of the movie even after he led a fucking mutiny!? Why didn’t Admiral Holdo tell anyone about the invisible fucking planet and her actually quite smart plan of hiding out there? When Luke Skywalker projected himself onto the invisible fucking planet to act as a distraction for the rebels to get away, did he know that there was no other exit? If he did know, why did he go? And if he did know, why didn’t he move the rockfall before he went to confront Kylo Ren? How come even though in every scene where Sith and Jedi meet, the Sith can sense the Jedi, on this one occasion when Luke wasn’t actually there Kylo Ren couldn’t sense that and if he couldn’t sense him why didn’t he think that was weird? How actually stupid, on a scale of 0 (incredibly fucking dumb) to 10 (of star-collapsing levels of fucking stupidity) is Kylo Ren and can someone please, please kill him? How the actual fuck did the scene with Princess Leia becoming a Jedi get through any kind of quality control process? What were the producers thinking putting in an actual literal comedy conversation with that stupid little douchebag having an armed union dispute? Did they think that a straight segue from a desperately tense survival situation to a straight comedy conversation would somehow improve the movie in any fucking way at all?
And finally, and most importantly, how stupid do these people think we are to keep watching this unmitigated shit? And how stupid are we, to keep watching this shit when we obviously should know better? Well, I’ve been fooled five times in a row by my own commitment to this universe, and by my foolish belief that reviewers would write an honest review about a major movie, so that’s it from me – I’m checking out of star wars. I will watch spin-offs if they seem like they might have a chance of being good, simply because the universe is a fun universe to watch, but I’m not burning any more of my money or my rapidly dwindling life span on the main series. It can go and die in a ditch.
Other reviews you might be interested in
My review of Avengers: Infinity War, describing how it bullies its audience
My review of Mad Max: Fury Road, as an exemplar of eco-feminist violence
My review of Dunkirk, as a story set in the in-between
UPDATE: I have now analyzed Rotten Tomatoes data to show that the movie critics were uniquely out of sync with public opinion on this issue, and that I am right and the movie critics are wrong: This movie is unmitigated shit, and everyone agrees with me.
fn1: Which, btw, should be the name of a bad guy in a Harry Potter movie, not Star Wars
fn2: I read a part of an interview with the director, Rian Johnson, which mentioned that he has been given a whole extra trilogy of his own. Fuck no.
December 17, 2017 at 8:25 pm
Spot on. Every word of it.
December 19, 2017 at 5:17 am
Totally with you on all points. Dull bloated mess of a film. Character motivations made no sense. Emotional scenes aren’t emotional because who cares about these characters?
A demoted Captain starts a mutiny, gets a slap on the wrist and is told to stop being a naughty boy. Poe Dameron should be court marshalled and blasted out the nearest airlock. But it’s okay he’s just a passionate wily go getter, he’s learned his lesson kids.
I thought Kylo could’ve had an angle the whole time, nope he’s just a bad guy, now THE bad guy vs the good guys. That’s original…
Stuff that should probably be explained:
Force ghosts can cast spells now?
The whole Leia moving through space thing. Then opening an air lock to the vacuum of space.
Why have bombers now regressed to giant bomb dropping WW2 B52 Stratofortresses?
How do these new bombers even work? It seems the operators are exposed to the vacuum of space? Is everyone just immune to that now?
How can anyone say they enjoyed this mess?
December 19, 2017 at 9:23 am
Thank you both for your comments. Rob W, the opening scene had me really worried about how the rest of the movie would develop because it was both a) so profoundly stupid and b) so completely at odds with the atmosphere of past star wars movies. The incredibly juvenile phone prank opening, the fact that one x-wing could take out all the defenses on a star destroyer, the fact that they only sent one, the insanely slow-moving bombers, the indecisiveness and inanity of the imperial leader – it was all just terrible. Apparently Adrian Edmonson was in this scene too which makes it even more comical (google “The Young Ones” if you don’t know who he is). Then all the questions about the bombers – why is there no remote control to activate the bombs, why do they rely on gravity, how did the gravity happen, why do the bombs need to be armed at all? And why oh why does a dreadnought star destroyer have this massive fuck off hole in the top that is obviously designed to drop bombs into?? As all this unfolded I started wondering if this was going to be a comedy movie, and was everything going to be this transparently stupid? I probably should have left the cinema right then …
December 20, 2017 at 1:51 am
SPOT ON! What about the EPIC dialgoue when Rey and Poe meet!?
Rey: Hi, I’m Rey!
Poe: HI, I’m Poe!
Wow!!!! Mind blown at the same time!!!
December 20, 2017 at 8:14 pm
Thanks for commenting Mike. Up there with the shitty dialogue was the terrible jokes – the problem was not that Star Wars had some humour in it, but that the attempts at humour weren’t funny. Given the budget of these movies you’d think they’d be able to pay someone British a couple of bucks to come in and check their jokes for actual humour content, but I guess the last 10 cents of the budget just had to be spent on arcing blaster effects (in zero g). And what was with Luke’s disgusting milking scene – was that meant to be funny, what was it meant to tell us about Luke? Was it an attempt to mirror the slicing open a tauntaun moment from Empire Strikes Back? Because whatever it was meant to be about, it didn’t work.
December 21, 2017 at 3:19 am
Yep , couldn’t have put it better myself . Utter crap from start to finish . Lost interest within half hour and thought about leaving but the cost of the cinema ticket persuaded me to stay !! Hope the director of this film hangs his head in shame . This film made a mockery of what has gone before . Admittedly some of the prequels were not that good and TFA has it ctritics , but nothing is as bad as this crock of shit . Not looking forward to EPISODE 9 with these clowns at the helm.
December 21, 2017 at 9:10 am
Thanks for commenting Mark. Sadly I think our cultural overlords have lost their sense of shame and become a pack of grifters. They see us as rubes who will buy any shit they dump on us, and the upper echelons of hollywood have become a safe space for these failsons. This is why we see so many remakes and comic adaptations – no need for creativity there, just string together some action scenes around a plot and characters someone else wrote for you, and sit back and rake in the money. So I’m not going to reward them by paying for the next one. The people who should really hang their heads in shame are the reviewers – just as the major newspapers have completely failed to hold the plutocrats in Washington to account as they loot the USA, so the reviewers have completely failed to hold the high powers of hollywood to account as they plunder what was once a great series and turn it into an engine to shovel our cash into their trust funds. I can’t believe so many reviewers were so weak and pathetic in their approach to this shitshow!
December 21, 2017 at 10:11 pm
As an hardcore long-time SW fan, I give you all my quotes and respects on this one. This review is by far the best done I’ve seen these days ( and I wrote one myself as well!). You are entertaining to read, and also cast the deserved light onto all this bullshit of a film critical points. I am sure that reviewers all over the world are either paid to type what they had, or just have no understaning of their job.
Fuck this shit, fuck disney’s canon, long live the EU!
December 22, 2017 at 8:54 am
I watched this film tonight and I immediately searched views of likeminded people to calm my nerves.
I can’t thank you enough for succinctly detailing everything that is wrong with this film (and as you quite rightly focus on, the film reviewers themselves who lead us on). I simply cannot quantify how much I loathed this film and it’s creators. I feel sick to the stomach that this shit can be gotten away with, because, let’s face it – a large proportion of the world’s population somehow seem to think it’s “good”, “fun” and “original”? Has our perception of originality, sense of what is creative and humourous become so numb?
Ironically I now makes me feel like a lobotomy to rid myself of this pain wouldn’t be a bad idea. Is that the way out, to lower our standards? I really hope not but it feels like this is the only way… Sorry for my despair, but tonight this film has been the final straw for me – I feel offended and disrespected by it’s creators, they have the ordacity to fuck with quite possibly the best film series of all time, because why the hell not – they sure as hell aren’t held to account by their senior bosses (because they themselves have no compass to follow), and most importantly as you have already pointed out, the film reviewers themselves.
Absolute contempt for the series is what it is. It’s greed and they are only getting greedier… We as viewing public aren’t stopping it, we are letting it balloon out of control. Fuck you Disney.
December 22, 2017 at 10:22 am
Everything you said is correct. I’d like to also add that this is yet another in a long line of recent Disney SJW attacks on males in general (a la Frozen and a list too long to delve into). Every hero in this film is a woman, and all the men are treated like bumbling idiots and stopped from succeeding in heroism. Case in point: Poe Dameron being reduced to a mutinous coward (which they didn’t fail to have two ladies snicker about like he was a child.”I know guys like you…we don’t need that here!” Oh really, the hero of the previous film who basically destroyed Starkiller base? You don’t need that type? Fuck you, Rian Johnson). Also, LUKE. FUCKING. SKYWALKER! A sniveling trogolydite. Yoda, a cacking pyromaniac who can now wield the forces of nature to start a bonfire. Fuck it, their just Jedi tomes! Oh wait, I think Rey stole them, making her the last keeper of the Jedi order? Oh ffs. Finn almost did something totally logical and heroic, but no, the Rose stopped him and gave him a line of shit about saving loved ones is what it’s all about in this film. Then why did Luke sit on his pasty ass and not come to the aid of Leia? Fuking frog nun housekeepers, milky sea cow slugs, asinine one liners abound, libtard Gender Studies profs in ball gowns are suicidal generals…where does one begin? One cannot. One ends. Your Honor, i rest my case. This film is goat vomit.
December 22, 2017 at 4:10 pm
Thanks for commenting Jim and Tom. Tom, your despair at how much these movies have deviated from any kind of standard and anger at the contempt they have shown to their viewers is eloquently put. I hope some of the reviewers at least will think carefully about what they write and say after seeing how much the viewers disagree with them, but it appears that they’re making a point of just dismissing criticism as angry fanboys.
Jim, I really don’t see how diversity has anything to do with this, and the idea of Disney as a home for “SJWs” (please don’t use that ridiculous term on my blog) is really stretching it. The original Star Wars movies had a pretty diverse cast, including non-humans (and remember Darth Vader was black!), but they still managed to make good movies. And I don’t think you should see what happened in this movie as a triumph for diversity or some kind of attack on men. Rei, the character who was at the centre of a lot of complaints about political correctness in the first movie, was really weakened in this movie, to the point that she just became a sad-eyed wench wandering around after an old man with pleading eyes. Meanwhile Poe Dameron is an entitled white male who fucks everything up and gets away with it completely. His actions led to the death of 200 people, Admiral Holdo was entirely right to dismiss his contribution, but even his demotion was simply ignored by everyone on the ship (even when they’re flying away from the Cruiser and the rebel transports are being blown apart one by one because of Dameron’s actions, the pilot of the ship refers to him as “commander” – despite his being demoted by Leia!) This is the classic example of a white man getting off scot free for massive failure, a model of modern Republican incompetence and reward. Also Holdo is clearly pretty useless, though I think the director presumably intended her to appear strong or something. And I can’t see how trashing Luke’s character has anything to do with anything except poor decisions by the director. I think you need to get away from this idea that Hollywood or especially Disney are liberal – they’re not. Whatever disasters befell this movie have very little to do with attempts to politically pigeonhole races or genders, and a lot to do with incompetence and contempt for us the viewers, or the legacy of Star Wars.
(I would add that Rogue One was great, with a diverse cast and nothing to make men look bad, and that was a Disney product too. And I haven’t seen Frozen and absolutely will not – I hate 99% of everything Disney makes).
(As an aside – did Rei steal the tomes or did she have a second set that came in the box with the light saber in the previous movie? It seems like this was a kind of a pivotal point in this movie but it was a completely throwaway moment when we see the spare tomes, and it didn’t seem clear to me exactly how they got to be there. Again, just poor movie making!)
December 22, 2017 at 9:13 pm
I’m not against diversity. This film is NOT diverse. The OT was though: you had male and female heroes. In TLJ you only have women callng the shots and men reduced to pathetic worms. I loved rogue one as well.
December 23, 2017 at 5:03 pm
There’s so much wrong with this idea. First, only one of the pathetic worms is being told what to do by women – no one tells Luke what to do, and in fact he spends the whole movie telling a woman to leave him alone. Second, would it be somehow better if the two men were pathetic worms but there were men in charge. You say you’re okay with diversity, but are you only okay with it when the men are all good? Because that’s not really diversity. Is your problem that the men were worms or that there were women in charge? Because these two things are not linked. Third, no matter how you permute the sex assignments in this movie there will always be a woman in charge, because the entire series has always been about a woman in charge – princess Leia is the leader of the rebellion and the movies are about the rebellion. Did you not enjoy the originals because there was a woman in charge when Luke was just a lowly x-wing pilot? Why so whiney about chicks in charge now when Leia was always the boss? It’s a bit rich to complain that a series that has always had a woman in charge has been ruined by adding one more woman in charge. Fourth, it is obvious (to me at least!) that the people who made this movie did not think of Dameron and Skywalker as pathetic worms, but somehow believed they were great characters. A lot of the idiot reviewers seem to agree, too. The problem here isn’t some quest for “social justice” that sees vindictive feminist movie makers turning men into terrible characters, because the movie makers intended them to be good characters. It’s just that they’re really bad movie makers. Finally, if the whole nub of this is a quest by Disney to destroy men, why did they put a man in charge of it all? It’s just nonsense.
The problem is bad movie making, not some weird quest to deliberately destroy the male characters in the interest of making Princess Leia look better. They could have made Leia look better just by sticking to her character from the OT, if they had done that a million pathetic worm male characters couldn’t have made her any cooler. They wrecked everything because they’re useless, not because they’re sinister.
December 25, 2017 at 11:12 am
You nailed it dude.Fortunately it only cost me $4 au in the Philippines.Absolute fucking shit
December 26, 2017 at 1:55 am
I wish the feminazi’s would keep their stinking agenda away from Star Wars. It is women breaking men’s favourite toy and going “hahaha look we broke your favourite toy” still angry they were not allowed to come and play Star Wars because they had care bears and my little pony. Sad times 😦
December 26, 2017 at 1:24 pm
Thanks for commenting Mark. Sadly I think you still ended up paying $4 more than it was worth.
Steve, when did the original Star Wars series tell us that it was a men’s toy? I don’t think they ever told us that, so I guess you must have inferred it from the content. How, I wonder? Was it the fact that a woman is in charge in all three movies that made you certain it was a men’s toy unaffected by “the feminazis”? Or was it the fact that all the key plot elements pivot on gossip about who is related to who and who is fucking who? Is this what you consider to be the essence of a movie untouched by “the feminazis”? Though it seems you’re way more bitter about the girls coming to play with your toys than they are about you not letting them.
I also wonder what kind of sad and limited experience you have of sci-fi movies? I guess you can’t enjoy Alien, The Ghost in the Shell, Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon, Last of the Mohicans, Gunnm, Appleseed, Nausicaa … I imagine you had massive problems dealing with Buffy the Vampire Slayer, and The Expanse must be pretty hard going for you. What are you left watching, old reruns of Terminator…? Oh wait, not that, Sarah Connor is way too bossy. How do you even? Your sci-fi options must be pretty depressing …
I’m also guessing you cruised by here on Christmas Day to leave this spiteful comment. Merry Christmas, dude!
December 26, 2017 at 8:07 pm
It’s been almost a week of trying to figure out if I missed something, but it seems like the world is divided into people who thought this movie was godawful (me) and those who don’t (generally, prequel apologists.). I seriously came away from this one thinking that the prequels actually did a few things better than this steaming pile, which is ridiculous. Also, the script is so full of dialogue awkwardly explaining away plot holes it’s just unreal. I didn’t hate on the last one this hard, although it wasn’t amazing. The fact that like ninety per cent of the potentially interesting plot seeds in TFA were simply hand-waved away or very rudely snuffed out was beyond baffling. Also, so much of the action and eventual resolution was telegraphed… just a terrible fucking waste. Johnson is the worst thing to happen to these films yet. These movies, this world, has internal logic. Johnson just ignores it and makes shit up because he wants to shake things up. I’m pretty convinced he’s actively trolling a large segment of the fandom which is really not cool. Remember that guy reaching down and tasting the salt? Fully convinced that’s a meta-joke. Rey gets boring, Rose, Holdo and now fucking SNOKE are cardboard bullshit, Finn’s story actually undoes his growth from TFA (or rather, unnecessarily retraces those steps in unsatisfying fashion), Ren goes from being an interesting emotional mess to just a complete psychotic moron… so much was done wrong here.
December 27, 2017 at 2:00 am
How come no one is talking about all the throwback/ripoffs of ESB and ROTJ? That was a chief complaint with TFA – that it just was a ripoff of the very first Star Wars. Now they’ve done it again in many ways:
– Luke is the new Yoda, not in any hurry and not really caring too much about the war ongoing (though with Yoda it at least fit his character better and wasn’t because of self-pity. It was more because he had transcended above all that plus was like 800 years old).
– The whole rehash of the stupid walkers on the snowy (salty lol) planet.
– Rehashed Lando backstabbing them. And that whole gambling planet was a not dissimilar to the city in the sky that Lando had (luxurious and safe looking).
– The biggest of all: the apprentice in the dark side overthrowing (way too easily in both new and old) the supreme leader guy.
December 27, 2017 at 2:13 am
The whole slow-moving-space-chase was by far the worst part of the movie though. It was the central action sequence and it made zero sense and was boring on top of that. To think that little ship can just “focus shields” on its backside and therefore be immune to the deluge of laser attacks that those big destroyers should have been unleashing is comical. And why didn’t any of the First Order ships zooop ahead and box them in? Why are they all going the same speed? Did the government install speed regulators? Is there a cop with a radar gun nearby?
Beyond that it just had no suspense. The shots were doing no damage at all. No “Scotty” in the engineering room losing his mind. And the whole thing immediately told the viewers of a long time in which they were safe (was it 18 hours or something like that?). So you’re left with a slow “chase” that you know has zero risk for 18 hours. How could you possibly make a space-chase more boring?
December 27, 2017 at 2:19 am
Ok final comment here: I’m already bored of the next movie because it is clear that we are totally rehashing the whole ‘rebels vs big bad government’ thing. There will be zero attempt to actually introduce any debate or shades of grey into any of this. The central point of contention has not advanced in maturity one iota in 4 decades. Unreal. We couldn’t add a 3rd party that confuses people’s loyalties? Or have some faction of the First Order that can be turned to being good? Or anything remotely interesting from a broad plot point of view? In the original series they *at least* gave the impression that many planets were full of people who were secretly (or not so secretly) against the Empire. We really saw nothing of this. We have to fill it in ourselves.
December 27, 2017 at 11:12 am
As spot on as your review is, you missed the biggest plot hole of all. How did the code breaker betray Finn and Rose, when they didn’t know Purple Hair’s secret plan she didn’t even tell Po?
December 27, 2017 at 11:23 am
sondog and Dave, thanks for great comments. Dave my impression was that there was a brief moment when Holdo did tell Po what she was going to do and he immediately blabbed it to Finn and Rose, and stupid code breaker overheard, but just as with Rey stealing the books it was really a throwaway moment that you barely noticed.
Sondog, these criticisms of yours are really good examples of why I’m especially angry at the critics. I can understand dismissing complaints about Luke becoming a sad sack as just the whining of entitled fans (even if it’s not) but the hyper boring space chase, the copying of ESB, and the completely one-dimensional nature of the enemy are examples of poor movie-making by any objective standard. These aren’t the complaints of people who are pissed off that Johnson has a different vision of the Force to George Lucas – they’re core elements of basic movie-making. But the critics universally ignored them.
[On copying past movies, it’s perfectly possible to do this well. Terminator 2 is a carbon copy of Terminator 1, right down to details like exploding tanker trucks, but with the interesting detail that the Terminator itself has switched sides, and become a Kyle Rees/T-800 mashup that somehow makes it all work. I would say that if you can’t even copy a super successful movie from your own series without fucking up, you’re a useless movie maker! But yes, I would have preferred to have seen more originality in the plot]
December 28, 2017 at 4:12 am
So very well said
December 28, 2017 at 9:11 am
Tee hee, your rant was well laid out and cheered me up a lot. I had a genuine ‘bad feeling about this’ from the start and it just never went away. I kept looking for what was wrong and only processed afterwards that… it was so very many things that were wrong! Luke walking out to finally kick ars was about to save it until… nope he really is a coward and that was the final straw. I was struggling to enjoy any of it.
The implausibility and hammy acting at the start just clouded the Star Wars atmosphere with such a lack of basic intelligence that even Williams’ score could not conjure much magic. I actually managed to enjoy Episode 7 despite a couple of large misgivings but thought the way ahead was so bright and clear for three strong young leads who gelled really well.
Those actors have been robbed of success by the writers and director. What a bunch of ars. They could have had an adventure together with Chewie and unleashed Master Luke on the First Order, but no! Instead of Rei’s and Leia’s naturally strong characteristics as shown in past episodes, we get:
‘Hello my name is Holdo and I am a strong female leader and very purple indeed. I am also stunningly un-Star Warsy because I am Laura Dern in disguise. I will now show the courage failing in Leia to stay behind with the ship and hey, guess what this hyperdrive can do?!’
December 28, 2017 at 8:12 pm
Just watched it.. I was a massive Star Wars fan and this movie is a joke. Agree 100% with your comments. I feel really let down badly by the writers…
December 28, 2017 at 8:38 pm
I don’t think I rate it anywhere near as bad as you do – though my expectations were pretty thoroughly managed by the time I sat down to see it. I’d call it three stars overall. It’s successfully a sci-fi movie though the plot is generally midding to poor. It’s not like it’s Thor 2: The Dark World. Goddam it, I can never give another movie one star. That number of stars is exclusively reserved for that movie [1].
I didn’t have quite the problem you seem to with Poe, though he is a colossal idiot. I thought his plan made sense in context based on the information he had at the time, though I agree it lead to complete bloody disaster. I actually blame Holdo more – if you’ve got a plan and only 400 people it needs to be explained to you just post it in the break room or something so that the people know you have a better plan to run pointlessly till you die. If you’re uncomfortable speaking to crowds send an email or something. There is no excuse for failing to tell everyone because they end up doing that anyway! Yes, Poe would have been an idiot about it, but you could then spend the hours you were doing nothing to talk through it. And lock him up if necessary. His plan against the ship at the start is still moronic, it doesn’t matter how many “big” ships you kill for a sacrifice of 80% of your forces, anything less than “80% of their shit” is still too little.
When Holdo was first introduced and revealed her grand plan of telling her tiny number of supporters to go fuck themselves in the dark, I actually thought this was a very feminist movie. This was based on it seeming to endorse the idea that middle management idiots being promoted to leadership are garbage regardless of gender. Instead it turns out the movie just thought she was too lazy and/or stupid to bother saying “Guys, I’ve got a plan. It’s to escape. It’ll be awesome.” Her crappy communication is literally Poe’s only redeeming excuse, so given he’s a dumpster fire in all other respects you’ve got to consider how terrible that makes her.
For the thing that screwed the movie most for me:
“Well, um, we could just send a single cruiser into the system behind the death star, then have it jump into hyperspace through the death star at close range. It’ll tear the death star apart and kill everyone on board instantly.”
Apparently this scene is causing some confusion: https://www.popsugar.com.au/celebrity/Sound-Star-Wars-Last-Jedi-Scene-44459924
It seems that the hyperspace weapon that everyone has always owned but never bothered using has no sound on that scene. I don’t recall that silence as, as soon as it happened, I turned to my brother and said “If that weapon exists, why is there even a second type of weapon in this galaxy?”
Of course, we must hold Holdo even more responsible for the fact she let two ships be pointlessly wiped out when she could have ordered them turned at any stage to be used as a weapon that would cripple the New Order. She could have killed Snoke at any time as long as she could work out that, in Star Wars, the most critical room is invariably in the centre of the ship, on the top, hard against the edge of the ship where it can be easily ripped open to space and have windows. Because Star Wars ship designers are three year olds with no risk management or space experience.
Yoda also pissed me off to no end. He rocks up with some message about kids surpassing their predecessors to his fucking SUCCESSOR!. What the hell is that about? Everyone gets surpassed except Yoda?
On the other hand:
– I actually liked killing Snoke off and the narration he gave of Ren’s actions with it. (Though as soon as you heard Ren and Rei describe their glimpses of each other’s future you’d have to be an idiot to not think “They’re both true. Which means Ren fights against Snoke.”)
– I really don’t want to learn more about Snoke, so killing him was great. I’ve not given a shit about him since day 1. To see him off ignobly and with no examination of him partially satisfies my desire that he never be there in the first place. Now I just want to never find out his backstory. Then forget him.
– I liked the Ren v Luke fight. I didn’t have a problem with Luke projecting across the galaxy – I agree it’s a bullshit new power, but I just don’t regard it as an unreasonable power set. Luke had previously been able to foresee the future across multiple star systems (e.g. Leia and Han in trouble when it hadn’t happened yet in ESB). Sending an illusion to trick a known idiot (Ren) seems reasonable.
– The reveal on Rei’s parents is satisfying. I’d expect Faustus to laud the idea that power isn’t strictly hereditary in this setting. At least she isn’t descended from Númenor or whatever.
Hmm. Yeah. It’d be nice to have a longer list of things that I liked. The stuff I did took up less than an hour, so that’s 90 minutes wasted.
On the bright side, an app told me that I could go to the toilet at the start of the gambling planet sequence. I really feel that was great advice and my only complaint is I didn’t go to the toilet for longer.
[1] After Thor, I expected Thor 2 to be crap. So I went in drunk as a lord and drank through the rest of the movie. It was still incredibly poor. To get it up to acceptable would cause liver damage.
December 28, 2017 at 9:22 pm
spot on, too many questions to how this was allowed to happen and even further, why so many people are just accepting this movie. Critics giving it rave reviews is perhaps the biggest question that needs to be answered. What a terribly wasted opportunity to make something great. One would hope Disney & Lucasfilm listen but I don’t like the chances of it. Only thing to do is stop buying merchandise & movies.
December 29, 2017 at 2:32 am
I aggre in simple terms, that movie was a big piece of crap.
The first and last movie I’m seeing of star craps man =s
Hopefully the full staff of that movie gets into a black hole soon, starting by the wh**e of leia (ooh she is already inside) xddd
December 29, 2017 at 7:38 am
I knew how f**** up this movie is going to be the moment I saw the very first sentence at the yellow moving credits at the start of the movie, something about the First Order being a dominant force now. Im sorry, since when they became that big if the movie starts more or less the same time TFA ended? TFO merely destroyed a couple of planets and got their Super Deathstar torn to pieces not long ago and now they are dominant force? Who the f*** writes all that shit? And more importantly – who the f**** ACCEPTS it? Why are they spending shitload of money for visuals, but cant get at least tolerable script?
December 29, 2017 at 8:12 am
Did you ever see the sequel to Highlander? The Last Jedi is in the same category. How do a bunch of dumb asses get to destroy a legacy with this shit. Anyone who rated this movie highly is a fucken idiot.
December 29, 2017 at 10:16 am
Warren I think I was wise enough not to risk Highlander 2, or it was so catastrophic it has been wiped from my memory. Glon, yes the way the First Order has somehow managed to become as powerful as the Empire after two movies in a row (ROTD and TFA) in which they have their arses kicked is a mystery that remains unexplained. It’s a bad sign when any intent at internal consistency is cast to the wind in the opening sentence.
Paul thanks for the additional nice points. On the central issue of whether Holdo deserves the blame for not sharing her plan, I think there are two important things to remember. 1) if you’re a grunt in an army you don’t get to execute your own plan just because the boss didn’t tell you hers. That’s not how armies work. Sure the Rebellion are a plucky new start up with a flat command structure and probably bean bags in the break room but they’re still an army and they still have rules. And 2) every single American movie or TV show ever made includes as a central plot device “key person X didn’t tell anyone their plan or communicate properly”, which then leads to the other guys doing something that raises plot tension. But in this case using that bog-standard plot device to turn Poe into a traitor and the proximal cause of the death of most of the good guys is … well, it’s just shit. Even if (like me) you think Poe is a boring cardboard cut-out jock character that is way too common in American movies and super fucking boring, this is still a really nasty way to treat him. And the thing is they just didn’t need to. That 30 minutes of crap (with the weird PETA asides) could have been spent ratcheting up tension in the rebel ship as things fall apart, perhaps with Finn desperately helping Rose to keep the engines running as the odd Imperial blast gets through, and Poe vs. Holdo turned into a character drama where Holdo ultimately triumphs and Poe comes as across as earnest and well-meaning but (and here’s the important part) not a treasonous little bitch. Which is what he was. (Also Holdo’s refusal to tell anyone her plan could have been explained with 10 seconds of dialogue about people attempting to escape in the pods, and the risk that they might get caught and blab the plan). Whatever you might think about Poe and Holdo’s mistakes in the context of the plot as written, the plot as written was shit and sets Poe up to look like a shit.
Good point that Holdo could have used two of her sacrificial ships as effective sacrifices. Could have sent them through two star destroyers at once. It’s particularly poignant given we see the captain of one of the ships suffer a fiery death (because in the super-sophisticated future, ships don’t have autopilot!) Gaaaaaaaaah!
Regarding Snoke I’m conflicted. On the one hand he has the worst name ever, and I have precisely zero effort emotionally invested in his survival or his goals, and I can’t conceive of him as a threat since he chose Emo Ren as his sidekick. I’ve read people make the same complaint about the Emperor, but the difference there is that we have had two and a half movies of Vader being super evil and super scary in which to get the sense that anyone who is Vader’s boss must be a nasty dude; whereas this time around Snoke and his hapless sidekick rock up at the same time, and you immediately find yourself thinking Snoke has very poor staff selection procedures for a man with such a large brain. So yeah, disposable evil dude there. But on the other hand, it’s yet another piece of shitty writing to first of all introduce us to this shitty dude and then kill him off before we even know what he’s there for, but make sure he’s been around long enough (1.5 movies) to just be in the way. Everything about his presence and then his sudden absence (except the amusing manner of his execution) was shit.
Also as a final aside, I’ve heard that it’s a thing with Sith Lords that they will always be killed by their apprentice, this is apparently some article of Lore in the Expanded Universe. If so this is the dumbest piece of shit idea ever. First of all it means that the evil side of the Force has a Basic Reproduction Number of 1, which means it is not virulent enough to spread its infection (R0 has to be greater than 1 for an infection to spread). And secondly why the fuck would any Sith Lord take on an apprentice if they know that their apprentice will try to kill them so a) all their effort will have been wasted or b) they’re dead. WTF is with that? If true, this is an example of why nothing should be allowed to be canon except the original three movies!
December 29, 2017 at 6:22 pm
Well said.
December 29, 2017 at 8:37 pm
@Warren My brother had a friend who saw Highlander 2 first. Apparently he said it was a great movie. Then he saw Highlander and was left wondering what the hell was going on…
@Glon Years of reading EU Star Wars books have trained me to accept that there are always more Empire remants and superweapons and troops and ships and planets lying around. So the idea that the First Order is now dominant didn’t shock me that much. I was still surprised that Poe bothered killing 70% of their forces to kill one big ship against an apparently endless foe – I’d have saved that force for a distraction why I hyperdrived a ship up their leader’s ass. And by distraction I don’t mean attack, I’d literally just have them post trolling comments on First Order blogs that every smuggler in the universe can slaughter them. If you think US cops can be jumpy, imagine manning a blockade ship when you meet a smuggler who suspects he can’t get away…
@Faustus:
“Sure the Rebellion are a plucky new start up with a flat command structure and probably bean bags in the break room but they’re still an army and they still have rules.”
I don’t accept this. There are literally 400 Resistance fighters left (Holdo says as much). In an army it’s important that the top couple of layers know what the hell is going on in case the bridge crew get sucked into space – which they’ve just had a reminder of. If Holdo’s attitude is “The odds of two bridges being destroyed killing every non-Force Sensitive person is really low” then she’s an idiot who should be spaced alongside Poe.
It doesn’t matter if Poe is a Commander or Captain, this is the sort of shit you share with your senior team to be ready for the next torpedo.
I agree the entire “hire a code breaker” plan is shit. My only position is that the nonsense that Holdo pulls goes some way to explains it. I agree I’d prefer a character driven tension. Your comment’s suggestion would deliver that. No wait… This is Star Wars. I’d ditch the entire sequence and come up with space swatchbuckling. Holdo can come along. Tell her to bring a couple of hyperdrive weapons in case I need to kill a planet or something.
On hyperdrive weapons, I’m reminded of a Star Trek RPG discussion I saw once. The poster was giving his initial orders if he was on the Enterprise. It was something like “Warp Drive is ridiculous. I want weapon proposals on my desk in 2 hours” and “Shields are apparently two dimensional planes. I want weapon proposals on my desk in 2 hours”. I recall reading it and thinking that this person’s head was in the right space.
“you immediately find yourself thinking Snoke has very poor staff selection procedures for a man with such a large brain”
I LOL’d at that. And then imagined the First Order HR instruction and interview guides – I believe they’d have a graphic of a person scrapping out a barrel on the cover.
“I’ve heard that it’s a thing with Sith Lords that they will always be killed by their apprentice”
This is prequels’ bullshit. If you think about it, it’s mostly a comment on George Lucas. He believes he should have a single right hand and that, regardless of that person’s skills, they’ll be incapable of replacing him. In the actual Star Wars Extended Universe (before they had to retcon in Lucas’s aneurysm) there were Sith Empires. They were dog eat dog and precisely as stable as you’d expect (e.g. North Korea).
December 29, 2017 at 10:06 pm
At the point where Holdo was supposed to share her plan with the top couple of layers, Poe had already been demoted from Commander to Captain – except weirdly, even though he had been demoted by General Organa, everybody routinely ignored his demotion. He wasn’t in the top two layers of authority, and he certainly wasn’t in any position to be protesting anything. His responsibility was to die on command, not to question orders. I think therefore it very much matters that he had been demoted from Commander to Captain – unless you think that in a rebellion ranks don’t matter. But I never got the impression that the rebellion was an anarchist movement (actually anarchist movements in real wars had ranks, that were elected, and then people did what the ranks told them).
Also why bother sharing your plans with your senior team, if you can survive being hit by a photon torpedo and spaced? Reasonable expectations of human behavior obviously don’t matter when you have plot armour up the whazoo!
December 30, 2017 at 12:16 am
I don’t know where to start really. I’d been pretty disappointed by The Force Awakens so in spite of rather enjoying Rogue One (whilst remaining curious about Gareth Edward’s original vision for his movie) I went into The Last Jedi with expectations suitably dialed down to a chilly few degrees above absolute zero (there has to be somewhere for Highlander 2 after all, and I seem to be alone in these parts in quite liking Thor’s Dark World). Such low expectations were I have to say, rather helped by all the YouTube links to “Mark Hamill hates everything Luke does in The Last Jedi” I was studiously avoiding in the run up (which he is now sadly starting to apologize for)!
So, lets see…
My already chilly expectations still managed to drop a degree or two just reading the opening scrawl. My biggest beef with Force Awakens was that it was an unimaginative rehash of A New Hope. That the new sequels were so keen to distance themselves from the horrors of the Prequels that they decided the best thing to do was repeat the original trilogy beat for beat (with better effects but weaker characters). The opening scrawl suggested The Last Jedi was going to do exactly the same (though in the end it combined elements of Return of the Jedi as well, before taking a radical right turn that means at least something will have to be different for the inevitable third/ninth episode).
Luke.
I’m with Mark Hamill on this – he bares no relation whatsoever to the Luke Skywalker we know of from the original trilogy. We are being asked to accept that Luke detected glimmers of the dark side in Ben, his most powerful Jedi student, his nephew, and the son of one of his closest friends (who, btw, he
seemingly didn’t even sense die!), and for a split second thinks he needs to kill him. This from the chap who boarded the Death Star mk2 to face down the Emperor because he’d detected a glimmer of light in his father, Vader, someone he knew was almost utterly consumed by the dark side and who had murdered hundreds or even thousands, but whom he felt could still be saved. So, are they suggesting that teenage emo Ren was already MORE twisted to the dark side than Vader? Because if they aren’t it makes no sense! But lets give them Luke’s momentary lapse, a senior moment maybe as old Wogan used to say. Instead, we now have to accept that even after such a lapse Luke would just run off and hide (a bit like Han did in Force Awakens to my similar annoyance), rather than continue to try to fight to save Ren from the dark side as he had Vader and helping defend the rebellion as a Jedi so Ren didn’t get to rum amok? But even if you give them all of that. That Luke was so distraught by his failure, that he thinks the Jedi genuinely need to die out so he went and hid (though this makes a mockery of the map to Luke’s hideaway from the Force Awakens), okay, I maybe, just maybe could have accepted that if Luke had calmly or tearfully sat down and tried to explain his position to Rey? But WTF? Instead he just throws the lightsaber away after Rey gives him it? Stalking off to sulk in his hut like a moody teenager being asked to tidy his room? Then the milking and the fishing? It’s like the director’s guiding light in writing this shit wasn’t what made sense form the characters, or the story, it was like, shaking a magic 8 ball and doing whatever was the most random.
Poe.
The character was always dull as dishwater, in spite of the fine actor playing him (see Ex Machina!). While you’re technically correct here faustus in terms of the catastrophic consequences of his failure to follow orders and all that I’m with Paul and thinking the bigger crime by far is with Holdo’s middle management. As far as Poe knew, Holdo was leading the feeble remnants of the rebellion to utter annihilation, through either incompetence, or because she was herself a traitor working for the first order for all he knew. Are you suggesting who should have just sat down and died because he was ordered to? Ask yourself this, if Holdo had in fact no plan, and Poe’s idea worked, would you still object, because his disobedience would be the same either way? The real crime is the writer’s of course. Holdo’s actions made no sense within the story, Her senseless silence was only present to elevate tension in the audience and justify the otherwise pointless jaunt to the casino.
“””””””Plot””””””” (and to save space, just assume I’ve filled a few pages with quote marks to sufficiently emphasize the irony with which I’m using the word!).
If you want to see a really slow car chase/traffic jam done well watch Sicario. This was dull and simply made NO sense. Two very easy things the First Order could have done to solve their issue:
Used the several star destroyers worth of tie fighters and tie bombers they had to continue to attack them. There was no reason to withdraw them, the “cover” they talked about losing clearly still present as the rebel ships were in range of the star destroyer guns throughout!
Hyper jumped just ahead of the fleeing rebel ships so they could be surrounded by a sphere of closing First Order ships giving them no were to run away to.
The argument against introducing common sense logic like this usually runs along the lines of, stop over thinking things, its just SF, which is always a ridiculously lazy response. SF doesn’t preclude logic or internal consistency. If I’m thinking all the ways a plot point makes sod all sense DURING THE BLOODY movie, it’s already failed as a movie.
Also, literally every hook from the Force Awakens is just discarded. Not I think because these were calculated decisions that made for interesting twists. They just had no answer to the questions so Ryan just thew them away. Rey’s parentage? Snoke’s Origin? Why Luke hid and left a hidden map behind All just bait and switched, again, for magic 8 ball reasons of the most surprising outcome.
Hyperdrive bomb.
It looked awesome. The silent score was a nice touch as well. The fact that it TOTALLY screws the Star Wars cannon is just a… Bonus? I mean, those poor Rogue One folks certainly wasted their time, oh, and their lives. As did all that futile aiming at the resulting exhaust port! Why? Strap a hyperdrive to an asteroid and throw it at the Death Star! Problem solved. Same if you have any pesky star destroyers for that matter. One imagines capital ships would probably not even exist in such a universe as they’d be so susceptible to such a cheap tactic.
Rey / Ben / Snoke
I’ll finish with the only bit I thought actually worked. The interactions between these three were the best part of the movie I thought. Well acted and well written. I like the emotional connection that developed between Rey and Ben, even if it was faked by Snoke (the second worst name for a villain ever I reckon – the first has to go Donaldson’s “Lord Foul”, the reason I avoided those books for a couple of decades reading that name on the blurb on the back because I thought it represent such a failure of imagination. I was wrong though, the later trilogies are particularly good!). And I liked Snoke boasting about “seeing” Kylo preparing to strike down the person he hates most, and just getting it eeeeeeever so slightly wrong! Though the scrap in the room afterwards with the red guard was a bit feeble.
So as usual with Hollywood, more money than sense but the script is an abomination. For fuck sake already, given it to Joss Whedon and let a real writer/director show you how its done!!!
December 30, 2017 at 2:23 am
Wow, I have to say that was an extremely well-written review. You have a very humorous style (it made me laugh several times!) and present all your points very well.
I watched the film yesterday and I couldn’t believe how bad it was. I was really shocked to see how well the movie was rated on the internet and it made me wonder if something was wrong with me. Fortunately, I found reviews like yours by googling “Star Wars 8 shit”.
Let me say that I’m not even a huge SW fan. I didn’t come with a lot of great expectations and I’m the sort of person who’s even fine with the prequels or the slightly ridiculous scene at the start of the film where a single X-wing takes on an entire battleship. I didn’t even mind the strange twist they gave to Luke Skywalker, even though I can understand why SW fans do not like … but … the entire plot was so mindblowingly dumb … just like the developement of most of the characters …
Oh well, I would end up repeating what you’ve already written. As I said, you made some very good points; here’s just two additional thoughts I’d like to add:
– When I watched the film, it seemed to me that Kylo Ren was not telling Rey the truth when he said her parents were unimportant nobodies. I thought he was lying to her out of ulterior motives (like getting her to join him) and I thought the truth about her heritage will be revealed in the next episode.
It wouldn’t make sense for a film to build up the tension on such a question over essentially 1.5 episodes putting in spooky scenes like Rey’s mirror and the endless dialogues between her and Kylo, just to blow it all up in the end by saying “Well, your parents were just some random nobodies” … so I expected there to be more on Reys origin in the next episode (at least there still is the potential for that), but seeing how dumb the rest of the movie was in killing basically every story hook that episode 7 had built up, it wouldn’t surprise me if that’s actually it for Rey’s story.
Some reviews said that the revelation about her parents was just great because it conveyed the message that you can grow up under poor conditions, without parent(s) and without much hope for a better future, and still develope immense powers to make a change in the world — but guess what, that’s what they already did with Luke and Anakin Skywalker.
– Just like some of the commentators above, I also thought the film tried to convey some feminist messages when they put Holdo in power of the ship and had her (and later Leia) matronise Poe. To me, she came across like some lesbian gender studies college professor giving Poe (and others) a schooling about the perils of his toxic masculinity. Meanwhile, all the male characters were either evil, unimportant (like Ackbar) or they acted like some 10-year-old boys who wanted to have their way no matter the cost without giving any considerations to what might happen (like Poe, but also to some extent Finn, Kylo and even Luke Skywalker in his stubbornness not to provide any help). So unlike you, I do actually think that the film tried to convey some sort of feminist message, but as you pointed out, they even messed that up when they let Poe get away with his completely moronic actions that killed off half of the resistance just to become the potential leader of that group in the next episode.
Don’t get me wrong – I’m totally fine with strong female characters. I just think they could have done a much better job at presenting strong women on the back of a strong Rey character who surpasses Luke Skywalker and becomes the biggest hope of the empire. I also think it could have been done without presenting *all* men as either evil Nazis or dumb little children.
– Well, okay, a third point, but that’s probably just me: In Episodes 7 and 8 the leadership of the rebellion came across to me as an old age pensioner nursing home reunion. I was actually pretty happy when they killed off Han Solo, and I wish they had done that to more of the old characters (and at an earlier stage). Instead, they introduced more old people to the leadership of the rebellion… but ok, that’s really just my opinion.
Thank you for your review, it was a great read!
December 30, 2017 at 11:09 am
Markus, thanks for your comment. I can agree with you that the movie-makers may have thought they were putting in a feminist plot, but they failed when they made one of the main female leaders incompetent, had the female leaders consistently ignored and undermined by their male juniors, and reduced the strongest female lead to a supplicant to a snotty older man. Of course given the general level of fail in this movie it’s highly likely they thought they were saying a strong feminist thing here (after all one assumes they also thought they had a good plot!), but all their intent stacks up to a hill of beans in the face of what they pulled off. You also cite Leia and Holdo patronizing Poe, but let’s remember the old Mae West favourite: “men are scared of women laughing at them; women are scared of men killing them.” Patronizing men and slapping them are sure symbols of feminine impotence in the face of male power. Real female leaders don’t patronize incompetent or rebellious men – they discipline them within formal power structures. Instead Leia slaps Poe and “demotes” him in a gesture that clearly has no formal power, since later on everyone is still referring to him as “commander” even when they are running away from the slaughter that his incompetence and rebelliousness brought raining down on them. As I said in my other post, Hollywood is not your liberal friend, and this kind of betrayal of female leads is what you expect from a movie world that doesn’t understand what feminism is.
(Also American cinema is very good at portraying men as idiots and children while also keeping them in positions of authority, this isn’t a new and uniquely feminist approach to cinema).
I agree that the rebellion seems like a nursing home reunion. A friend’s girlfriend who came to see the movie with us observed afterwards that a lot of the excitement has gone out of the movies since the originals because the originals had a plot centred on gossip – who is related to who, who fucks who – and these new movies have retained the original loci of that gossip (Han, Luke etc) without any of the frisson of the original stories. It’s like an incestuous friendship group got old and got over it. Great to know it happens, but completely boring.
I also agree that Ren was lying to Rey about her parents. There is no way that Hollywood in general and Disney in particular are going to let a nobody come into great power. She has to be a princess of some kind, it’s in Disney’s DNA. They just haven’t found the glass shoe that fits yet.
Merton, I’m really intrigued by this idea that soldiers get to go off on their own missions if they don’t like the orders they received, and I would like to subscribe to your newsletter. Do you have any examples from WW2 of lowly captains deciding they didn’t want to follow the certain-death orders they did receive, and instead going off on side missions of their own, that led to the deaths of hundreds of their comrades, and being lauded for it or at least excused because it was all General Rommel’s fault for not explaining things properly to the rank-and-file? Do share! Because it seems to me that in an army your sole responsibility is to follow orders, and the only time you don’t is when you are instructed to commit a crime against the laws of war (which btw clearly don’t exist in the Star Wars universe!) And just to be clear, dying hopelessly along with your friends to attain a military objective is not actually a crime, right?
Regarding the hyperdrive bomb, last night I rewatched Rogue One in hopes of washing the dross of this movie out of my skull. The movie definitely holds up, it’s a great great piece of work. But the hyperdrive bomb – if you take it seriously, which to be clear I don’t – completely fucks this movie. First of all why am I watching this movie and why do I care about the plans for the death star, when I now know that a single cruiser entering hyperspace can fix the problem? Secondly, when they had the big issue with the shield protecting Scaffin, why was this a tense plot point? Just send a ship into the shield generator at hyperspeed. Thirdly, when Vader’s cruiser emerges from hyperspace it actually bumps into a rebel ship and although that ship comes off very badly from that interaction it is not annihilated, which suggests that the whole hyperbomb thing hadn’t been conceived of a year ago; and lastly, why did they waste time using a hammerhead cruiser to push one crippled star destroyer into another when they could have simply hyperspaced the cruiser through both of them, killing one assumes tens of thousands of troops and leaving the shattered remnants to fall onto the shield housing and destroy it. The hyperdrive attack basically invalidates everything about all the previous movies and it is an absolutely scummy move. The only way to deal with it is to strike The Last Jedi from canon.
As far as I’m concerned the only canon for Star Wars is the original three movies, and I’m willing to consider adding Rogue One purely because of what it does to bolster Darth Vader (that last few moments where he gets to work on the rebel troops is an absolutely brilliant scene) and also because it fixes major questions about A New Hope. The director of Rogue One showed how easily you can make a good Star Wars movie. The rest of the people working for Disney need to hang their heads in shame at what they have done.
December 30, 2017 at 8:58 pm
Read your review which made me smile, not to be smug but I gave up on this crap after the first case of Disney dogshit
December 31, 2017 at 4:30 am
Heh! Well, I’d started by say you were technically correct re Poe but examples? Sure…
https://listverse.com/2015/09/13/10-heroic-acts-of-bravery-that-involved-disobeying-a-direct-order/
They were often honored afterwards as well so the military seem quite sanguine about the principle of disobeying an order if the outcome is to their satisfaction?
The world wouldn’t be here if Stanislav Petrov had followed orders!
I think Poe, based on Holdo’s actions, had no choice but to disobey – this was no loss of life to gain a military objective, he thought she was leading the rebellion to utter annihilation? The total loss of WW2 to borrow your analogy? Do you think Han would have obeyed orders to sit still and die already? And it wasn’t just Poe she didn’t tell. No one seemed to know (or at least we were shown no-one who obviously knew). There were plenty of nervous looks between the crew when the penultimate ship blew. There was no in movie reason given for the secrecy. It was a cheap ploy to elevate false tension. With catastrophic consequences.
I entirely understand that armies don’t work if the grunts don’t follow orders. Some of which ARE intentionally suicide missions for the greater strategic good. That doesn’t preclude not following orders sometimes delivering better outcomes than the orders given – though clearly not in this case!
We’re in violent agreement on the hyperspace bomb point!
The Sequels are starting to make the Prequels look good! The Prequels had weak characters, but the overall plot (the Tax scrawl aside) was pretty decent, the Jedi betrayed from within and wiped out just as they thought they’d won the clone wars against the droids (the Anakin arc was still garbage though, him turning to the dark side basically to save Padme, then Palpatine’s first order is to go and murder a load of kids (I refuse to use the “y” word) and he just does it!) There doesn’t seem to be any real plot here at all, just random 8 balling shit together!
December 31, 2017 at 3:49 pm
Merton I don’t think your examples hold up. Most of them involved no risk to any strategic objectives if they failed, and would only have led to the deaths of the people disobeying orders. The one example where this isn’t the case – the Gettysburg one – is listed as controversial to historians. And strictly speaking Petrov wasn’t disobeying orders because he was simply concluding that the launch warning was a technical error. Also, not a single one of these examples includes an actual fucking mutiny. Even if you accept that Poe was right to go off on his half-baked mission (and I will never except that, since it might mean I’m wrong about something), it is still the case that after his mutiny led to the death of half the rebellion he should have been spaced. And instead of being spaced he gets his demotion ignored, and is even allowed to do heroic fighty things moments later. Fuck that, as they say, for a game of soldiers.
In addition to making the prequels look good, one of my friends at the movie told me (after the yoda scene) that it was starting to make him like the originals less. He said after that there are two yodas – the one who makes wise comments that are clearly intended half as a joke, and the insufferable actually supposedly wise one who makes actually really shallow statements. And seeing that latter one behaving like the former one made him wonder if actually he was not harsh enough in his judgment of the yoda in the original movies. If this movie can make the prequels look better and cause one to lose any affection for the original, then it is genuinely the worst movie ever made. It should get a negative score on rotten tomatoes!
(speaking of which, the rotten tomatoes review has now dropped to 51%, confirming that this turd doesn’t stink any less as time passes!)
January 2, 2018 at 4:03 am
Kylo Ren is a cunt! Like an intergalactic Rick from The Young Ones….
January 2, 2018 at 4:06 am
Agree with this review 100%. The Last Jedi is misandrist box ticking shite!
January 2, 2018 at 2:55 pm
THANK YOU! THANK YOU! THANK YOU! Awesome review. Every word of it. What a disrespectful pile of shit was this “movie”.
January 2, 2018 at 9:05 pm
I watched it and had to search “last jedi is a piece of shit” so I wouldnt feel alone. This is exactly what I needed, I needed to hear someone say it, and you said it best in this review. What hot garbage goddamn.
January 3, 2018 at 12:06 am
99% TRUE. You can notice that a lot of critics (and journalists) are saying that The Last Jedi is a feminist and pro-afroamerican movie, but this is FALSE: One of the woman-character is the most inept leading character of the movie, going to commit unnecessary suicide (“strong female leading character”? WHAT? ) and Finn is a moron, so the movie wastes Boyega. He is a great actor!!!!. So The Last Jedi is NOT a feminist movie at all and I known that a lot of people are saying hat the movie is racist. And by the way, I’m not an Alt-Right memeber and I don’t like Alt-Right ideology at all. I don’t hate the movie, but I didn’t like it. So those journalists are insulting persons that don’t think like them, saying lies like “People who didn’t like The Last Jedi are a ridiculously small group of people” or “Alt-right members hate The Last Jedi”. FALSE. For me The Last Jedi is garbage. With all due respect, it’s like to see the moviemistakes website: Almost all is garbage for me.
The Last Jedi is so bad that is bad. I repeat: The last Jedi is so BAD that is BAD.
January 3, 2018 at 12:29 pm
Preach my friend preach , this pathetic movie has to be the final blow , as a Star Wars fan / believer in my fifties I finally realised it’s been taken from me ,similar to the way pirates of the Caribbean destroyed itself after the first movie or the original planet of the apes series , it can’t come back from here , hell I think in the end there was only about nine rebels left to repopulate the universe anyway and why bother there’s no force theres no good to survive and the future is just stuffed anyway ,
every point you made is spot on , I took my nine year old son to see this crap and we sat there until mid nite , poor kid , I was apologising to him the entire time as he struggled to stay awake and follow the idiot plot , you should have been there while I tried to explain that no “skywanker wasn’t drinking white stuff from the penis of some camel necked spitting porno creature on his island” it just “looked a bit like that” I said “they were like ladies breast ,you know to feed a baby” he said ” oh but “skywalker isn’t a baby ” and ” that’s where the willie is ” I said “well no it’s like a cows udders” he said ” why was the lady cow sitting like that and spitting ” I said “because perverts who are trying to ruin the movie and actually harm children’s minds made this movie , I’m sorry mate” ,
Well thanks Starfuck for ruining what should have been a sci fi adventure for me and my son to give him thoughts and dreams of where the future may take him and to open his mind to future possibilities and still have a moral overtone and you couldn’t even turn a light sabre on without knowledge of the force good or bad , but now we have PETA , perverse action and strange adult romance subplots,I’ve always told him the force is the power of good and Jedi mastered the best of it and it’s like energy from heaven or the creator those who go to the dark side and evil are like bad people in our time now it appears from this and the last couple of movies that the force is bullshit, it really didn’t do any harm to have a bit of moral perspective in the series but , Not their new world PETA, anti weapon ,pervert perception of moral thank you
skywanker said he was waiting to die or some crap while he’s about to eat a 6 ft blu fin tuna to himself, waiting to die , I wanted to end his miserable cry baby life for him He comes across as some old alcoh blaming the world for his pathetic choices ,the entire casino world horse racing animal abuse was to appeal to PETA and a pathetic throw to the original Star Wars bar scene, it was like all the cutting room floor crap had been joined together to make a buck with no knowledge of the “canon” as you say , the little dickens street urchin pissed me off ,I was waiting for that dirty little shit to ask for another bowl of soup so he could get slapped down just to prove to me how bad the baddies are , why did the pseudo homosexual action take place between Finn and that Chinese guy and why were 4000 storm troopers destroyed in a fiery explosion but Finn and our new Chinese guy the only two to walk away from it ,why did the imperial forces throw their fighters to their deaths against the stronghold when the “battering ram cannon ” was seconds from being armed and when you jump to light speed you vanish you don’t need some kind of run up and heaven help any starship that is your path before said distance has elapsed they’re completely oblivious to the canon or so arrogant they treat us as fools who’ll eat up shit , oh man there’s too much wrong with this pile of shit , preach my friend
January 5, 2018 at 11:44 am
Thanks for your comments everyone. Leia, I’m glad you agree with me that it’s not a feminist movie. Obi Wank Kenobi, is any movie misandrist if the male characters are all not perfect? This seems like a terribly shallow definition of misandrist. Bill, I was grossed out by the weird milking scene and couldn’t figure out what it was meant to be telling us about the universe or Luke’s character, but I hadn’t thought that less anatomically experienced people might mistake it for cum milking. How grotesque! I fear your son is going to be permanently scarred by this experience, and I hope you can sue!
Something about the weapons dealer scene that really annoyed me was that it is really obvious from previous movies that the Empire mostly does its weapons procurement in house – infighting between Vader and other leaders and their weapons specialists is an important piece of tension in many of the movies. So when Finn and Rose visit Stupid PETA Planet and are confronted with these weapons dealers who sell weapons to the Empire I was super confused as to why they expect us to believe this – 8 movies in and suddenly the Empire has completely revamped its procurement model to a private contractor-based model? I guess after watching three death stars get turned to ash they might be onto something there, but it seems like a sudden and unexpected change of path. In fact it seems much more likely that the weapons dealers on Stupid PETA Planet would be good friends with the rebellion already, since the rebellion would be their main customers, not a sideline as the story implies. Maybe even ideologically committed to the cause … which wouldn’t really change anything about the plot (which would still suck) but would at least remove some of the stupid primary-school level ideological posturing, and insert an interesting shade of grey into the bright moral lines of this movie. Instead we get this utterly bullshit series of scenes that are some of the most forgettable scenes to happen in sci fi cinema in years (and I say this having seen Valerian and the thousand workplace sexual harrassments).
Truly there is no part of this movie, no matter how small, that they didn’t manage to fuck up.
January 7, 2018 at 10:35 pm
“Merton, I’m really intrigued by this idea that soldiers get to go off on their own missions if they don’t like the orders they received, and I would like to subscribe to your newsletter. Do you have any examples from WW2 of lowly captains deciding they didn’t want to follow the certain-death orders they did receive, and instead going off on side missions of their own, that led to the deaths of hundreds of their comrades, and being lauded for it or at least excused because it was all General Rommel’s fault for not explaining things properly to the rank-and-file? Do share! Because it seems to me that in an army your sole responsibility is to follow orders, and the only time you don’t is when you are instructed to commit a crime against the laws of war (which btw clearly don’t exist in the Star Wars universe!) And just to be clear, dying hopelessly along with your friends to attain a military objective is not actually a crime, right?”
I have been told that various army structures have different opinions on diobeying orders and that it varied depending on the culture of the military involved. The example was that the American military was top down and that the Australian and UK military was given greater latitude to interpret orders. It also varied depending on your role – a guy in a trench has no choice while an SAS soldier on extended deployment can do whatever they want, within the general strategy and rules imposed on them, which could include abandoning the mission if it seemed a crap idea. Obviously, it’s hard to find examples of SAS tactical decisions for reasons that are (hopefully) obvious.
This idea that soldiers are robots who can only disobey when it conflicts with the “first law” of the Geneva Convention may be a left wing one given the underlying precepts we oppose each other over (though Merton doesn’t seem to share it). I’d suggest you examine your biases and consider when you’d laud a solider for disobeying orders – it’s not unlikely a society (and conseqentuaially their military) may agree with you, though it’d depend how aligned the society is with your assumptions and precepts.
The Resistance appears to operate closer to SAS rules than infantry rules. And I expect an unwritten SAS rule is “If your superior officer goes bug-fuck crazy and tries to lose us the war, then don’t obey their order.” Frankly, I’d be disturbed if Australia’s (or the UK’s) elite troops weren’t given critical strategic information and a direct order to obey the strategy over the rantings of the inept middle management put over them – We learnt that much if nothing else from Gallipoli.
January 8, 2018 at 11:03 am
Paul regardless of the different opinions different armies and units have towards disobeying orders, I suspect they are very often post hoc judgments (i.e. you get punished if you disobeyed orders and your plan failed), and I doubt very much that they allow for open fucking mutinies which is what pissy Poe Dameron did, which included turning weapons on his own superiors. Good luck shooting your commanding officer with a stun gun and getting a medal for disobeying orders. I grant you it’s possible but the circumstances have to be pretty extreme and it still won’t get you a medal.
The frustrating thing is that all of this would be irrelevant with almost no major changes to the script. Poe Dameron could have explained his plan to Holdo, who tells him her plan but concedes it’s a hairy one so gives him permission to give it a go; they find the real code breaker and get on the star destroyer, but can’t get to the place they need to be and instead in a mad chase manage to sabotage the star destroyer so it blows up. Holdo, with time running out, thinks Dameron has failed and enacts her plan, the star destroyer’s guns are turning to face the rebel transports when bam! It blows up and everything on screen goes silent, then Finn and Rose have to make a mad escape in an Imperial shuttle to join the resistance on Krait. Maybe Actual Luke turns up to help them! In this version of the script almost none of the events of the movie change at all (we even get the big star destroyer bang bang), but Poe looks like a decent human being who earned his lesson (he can get promoted back to commander, showing that people listened to Leia), Holdo looks like a competent leader in a desperate position willing to do whatever is required, and we don’t have the stupid plot-wrecking hyperspace weapon but we keep the big silent explosion. The only thing wrong with this alternative version of the story is we still get the stupid PETA side plot on dumb casino world with the Oliver Twist children. But at least the circumstances of that shitshow would have been bearable.
Fun sideline debate: Was the rebellion command structure similar to a special operations command structure, or were they actually more like the POUM in Republican Spain, or the FARC? I suspect they were more like current revolutionary forces (dare I mention Mr. Guevara’s works on the matter?) which maintain something resembling military discipline but allow a lot more dissent and independent action (not necessarily for tactical reasons, but as a political choice or because circumstances of communication and logistics require it). Also for additional inquiry – how much do these command structures (special operations vs. guerilla movements) differ? And were the North Vietnamese a model of this kind of command structure, or actually more like a well-drilled regular army? I really have no clue about any of these ideas. But didn’t Lucas originally envision the rebellion as being a bit like the North Vietnamese?
January 8, 2018 at 11:06 am
Interestingly I can’t edit that comment to include this link about Hugh Thomson being mistreated by the army for stopping one of its most infamous modern massacres.
January 9, 2018 at 6:34 am
I agree with you 100%. TFA is the only movie worse than TLJ in all 8 so far. It is obvious that Kathleen Kennedy & LucasFilm has no narrative plan for this trilogy and no real sense of what Star Wars is, was, or should be. Say what you want about the prequels, but at least Lucas had a story planned for all 3. The worst fault is the logical inconsistency of characters, plot, the Force, & Star Wars ‘tech’ and that is absolutely shit, lazy, idiotic storytelling. Just like TFA, my initial impression was that TLJ was OK, but the more I think about it the worse it gets.
January 10, 2018 at 9:05 am
The reason the Critics gave it a good review is because they are paid to. News papers now take payment for good reviews – I know this because I worked on an fairly average film with which the marketing department decided A foolishly – that they didn’t have the money to pay off the Guardian and the Times.
The movie was not great, but it did not deserve the unfair review it received from the Guardian. It was implied to the marketing department that should they take an advertising package they might find the reviews favourable
January 10, 2018 at 10:04 am
Yeah, your re-write sounds better. But that’s a pretty low bar, I haven’t heard a suggested re-write yet that didn’t sound better in some way (and generally in lots of ways).
If I were to re-write Poe and Finn I’d drop the entire car chase thing and do something else, probably focused on seizing the initiative against the First Order while also explaining why the hundreds of other Republic planets that weren’t destroyed are still doing nothing after Starkiller base was destroyed.
I’d then turn most of my attention to the thematic wreck this movie made Luke and Rey. That could keep the scenery but all the conversations need to change.
If I had time I may add something about Smoke that didn’t fill me with indifference bordering on contempt.
January 10, 2018 at 10:47 am
FrazeThatPays, I had that experience with TFA that I enjoyed it but after I left the cinema I started thinking it was quite terrible. I think the big difference is that TFA grabbed hold of me at the start with its setting, whereas TLJ kicked me out of the setting immediately with the stupid phone call “joke”. That broke the star wars bubble for me and I don’t think there was any point really where I got back into it. So I was plunging through all the levels of disappointment as the movie progressed, rather than in review.
Shatnersrug, it certainly seems like payola is the simplest explanation for the terrible reviews.
Shorter Paul: To improve this movie, I would have made a different movie. You’re absolutely right, better than rescuing the car chase is to dump it altogether. This movie just needed to be … 100% different.
January 11, 2018 at 2:06 am
I so wanted to love this film. Shame on everyone involved. Truly one of the worst films ever made. Dross. Utter dross.
January 11, 2018 at 8:27 am
Another thing, I was watching that ginger bad guy man child and thinking Christ, does he think he’s Rik from the young ones or something and then bloody Vivien shows up! I mean what the fuck?
January 11, 2018 at 9:20 am
Haha I thought that too! The people’s poet!!
January 11, 2018 at 6:49 pm
oh shove your “wannabe slick” negative PRESIDENT TRUMP comment up your fucking ass you sjw fuck. go cry somewhere in a corner. you make me laugh you dumb shit. Swallowed the blue pill huh? Obviously. You are dumb and not informed.
January 11, 2018 at 7:10 pm
I guess Adrian is a fan of this movie, to be so angry with the review. Probably had the hots for general holdo or something.
January 12, 2018 at 7:35 am
faustusnotes, The “on hold” joke was just one part of that entire idiotic Poe mission that was just plain terrible right off the bat. When you break my suspension of disbelief within the first 5 minutes of a movie, that is not a good sign.
January 12, 2018 at 10:32 pm
“After sitting through five terrible movies even when I should have known better, I have given up on this whole thing”
5 movies?
January 12, 2018 at 11:19 pm
The prequels plus these!
January 16, 2018 at 6:13 am
Sir no truer words spoken I can’t add anymore to your observation bravo bravo
January 17, 2018 at 2:39 am
What they have done with this franchise and the film is shocking. The force awakens was a remake of a new hope with a few references to empire and god knows what this mess was. Anything that was created or written in the force awakens was either not answered or messed up royally.
1. Kylo ren having vader mask no answer to this
2. why han solo and leia split up
3. how snoke was already able to corrupt kylo before luke attempted to kill him
4. where maz or what ever came up with the blue Anakin light sabre
5. fins parents and why they never used clones for the stormtroopers
6. who or what is moz
7. Reys parents
8. WHO THE HELL IS AND WHAT AND WHERE DID SNOKE COME FROM
I could go on and on but these questions neither got answered or if they did you some how feel they were b/s answers. Instead we get even more nonsense Leia now doing a mary poppins in space, Luke milking some kind of sea walrus balls,a stuttering character who could escape a prison cell at any time but waits for fin and rose to just be put in that cell. This is how this film continues to go, the characters have no back stories or things to make them interesting Po is just an xwing pilot no different than wedge in the original trilogy as he serves no other purpose, fin is just a clown who does nothing and rey is a mary sue who is just better than anything or anyone in star wars history.
Force ghosts can now shoot lighting, to be fare it is a odd looking yoda puppet and everyone appears to have Anakin light sabre in this film clearly they spent so much money on everything else they only had enough to use the same props.
I will end with there was so much more they could have done with this film to make it good and instead were to lazy and pinning their hopes on true star wars fans to make money off. They need to sort this out other wise Disney will no longer make any money or films as they would have killed off an amazing legacy for good
January 19, 2018 at 8:28 pm
I wasn’t overly enamoured of TFA so came in with pretty low expectations, and the bomber scene so completely broke my suspension of disbelief that it never recovered. There was the odd scene/line here or there that I liked but not much of it hung together.
Mostly though I’m posting to agree that Rogue One holds up pretty well in a re-watch, and that the final scene of Vader as unstoppable death dealing juggernaut helps cement the reputation he has in the original trilogy but for me never quite lived up to.
January 19, 2018 at 8:40 pm
So many things you’ve written are so true. And still so many things have been left out. But none of them makes the film better – I’m refering to other bad decisions next to the sample you’e gathered allready. First of all the handling of the characters in generall. Finn as a cheap joke. Rose too – what’s her purpose, except playing a love interesst so that the black guy would not hook up with the white girl.
Some of the screens looked like a theater stage of a community college (Sknook’s room, the bridge of the rebellion ship). Why was an Admiral wearing a ball gown during battle? Why has the mighty first order and the big republik been reduced to a couple of weirdows in a handfull of ships? Why?
I never hurt so much in a Star Wars, that had been the top of the worst.
January 24, 2018 at 3:55 am
One of the clearest and honest reviews of this incredible disaster. The bio on Rian Johnson says he used to play with star wars toys as a kid. If so he must have been the type of brat who, like Spike in Toy Story, blew them up with fireworks and melted them on a barbecue. I can’t imagine how anyone who cares about the basic premise of star wars spending so much money to trash it like this.
I’m still trying to come to terms with Rose sabotaging Finns suicide run into the cannon and explaining “We win not by killing what we hate, but saving what we love.” Huh! This is Star Wars not Star Gandhi or Space Jesus. Rebels fighting against an Evil Galactic Empire that blows up whole planets. The war is clearly just, per the definition of St. Augustine, as the sadistically genocidal actions of Snoke on down to the lowest mooks demonstrate.
As far as I can tell neither Rian Johnson nor the Disney executives are comitted pacifists. There’s plenty of killing going on in this movie so I really don’t know where this idiotic idea came from. If the producers of this movie really feel that way they should be spending their money on humanitarian projects not a show where lots of stuff gets blown up. Maybe they just want the audience to think they’re being profound when instead they’re just being pretentious.
January 26, 2018 at 2:47 pm
Thanks for commenting Zo0tie. That moment with Rose and Finn stood out for me for the same reason you describe – it just blew up out of nowhere, with no pre-empting, no evidence at any point earlier in the story that Rose had any different beliefs about violence to anyone else (why was she on a rebellion battleship if she thinks you shouldn’t kill what you hate?) and no suggestions of a greater philosophical debate within the rebellion. It also doesn’t work that it came at a moment of self defense rather than attack (sure Finn was attacking the cannon, but that’s because they had nowhere to run to), and moments after Holdo just blew up an entire star destroyer! This is yet another example of an obvious, glaring flaw in the movie that has nothing to do with angry fans or diversity whining or any other shit – it’s just pure poor quality movie making!
January 30, 2018 at 11:07 am
@faustusnotes – Your initial review and a couple of your after comments really made me laugh and cheered me up after enduring TFA and then TLJ. It’s taken me a while to get round to watching these as I was waiting for someone to give me a digital copy. I refuse to pay for these films. I paid to go to TFA at the cinema and walked out around half-way through and vowed I would not pay again. As far as I’m concerned Abrams appears to be one of the worst hacks working in Hollywood – he only directs sequels and heavily borrowed material like Super 8 and his record with writing is generally negative – he has a long history of writing howlers. I’m confused as to how Rian Johnson went from writing Brick and Looper to this shit. Many people have criticisms for the Disney company and while the quality of their output has not been great in the last few years and there are issues with their obsession with princes and princesses, it seems a little unfair to place all the blame with them since they have produced an award winning children’s animation called Star Wars Rebels, which I watched with a nephew and enjoyed, and they allowed Gareth Edwards to make Rogue One, which I would say is the third best SW film after A New Hope and TESB. I just have no idea how Abrams got the gig, other than that Star Trek was relatively competent, though utterly unoriginal and occasionally annoying.
It’s funny how when you actually make an internally consistent SW film with good actors and decent hard-boiled dialogue/humour, like Rogue One, the bizarre attempts to try and insert some contemporary political criticism into reviews just doesn’t happen. Rogue One has an excellent female lead, Jyn. It has an interesting character played by an african-american actor, Saw Guerrera. It has even more interesting asian characters and uses them to explore the eastern-philosophy origins of Lucas’s concept of the Jedi as Samurai Buddhist monks in a medieval knight’s tale, played out in the dystopic sets of his adult sci-fi THX1138. It has characters struggling with complex and ‘grey’ moral issues, such as Galen Erso. It makes the best use of it’s cast. It also has the same sense of discovery and exploration as the original films – it makes the most out of it’s locations and it’s aliens. It has variety and a real sense of jeopardy.
TLJ doesn’t really have any of these qualities listed. I at least enjoyed the first 20 minutes of TFA: TLJ was like the highlights reel of the crappiest high-budget sci-fi TV show never made. It’s difficult to imagine how a film that cost 200-300 million dollars to make, and several-hundred million more to market, can look this bad. CGI has come a long way since the days of the dodgey prequel CGI characters like Ja-Ja and Watto. Consider the quality of the animation on the characters in the last Planet of The Apes film and compare that to the water-cow with the green milk (a lame attempt to reference the blue bantha milk of A New Hope and Rogue One) or the space-puffins, obviously designed so that lots of them can be sold in gift shops. Whats more, the cinematography and some set designs are also poor. There’s a big build up to the horse-racing and casino resort – this could have been spectacular visually, although the code-breaker plot what rendered pretty pointless by the connected plots as many have said. It was instead cliched, unoriginal and full of tracking and panning, as are various other key sequences. The original films were actually beautiful – some scenes were like painted scenes by Jean Giraud – and including a variety of shots, still and moving, depending on what was appropriate – the early section of TFA and Rogue one managed this. This film acts like it’s scared to show you a set design or a planet – like a low budget film trying to hide the gaps. What is the point of a budget that big, if the end product is just as ugly as a cheap TV show on the sci-fi channel? And a ‘throne room’ with robotic warriors in red plastic Halloween costumes that match the cheap wall-paper. Do people actually get paid for coming up with this shit? I suppose they thought they were being really clever with the ‘red symbolism’, which reappears in the randomly red salt under-layers at the rebel base.
The fighter pilot sequences are also totally overused. There is no sense that anyone you know or care about might die. There is no sense of purpose to any of the fighting. And the arced gravity trajectories and ‘dropped’ bombs make zero sense in the vacuum of space. It’s just a lame attempt to make the film like a WW2 epic because of comments made by Lucas about his use of war footage, such as the Battle of Britain, when preparing Empire Strikes Back. It would not have been difficult to simply construct the ships and sequences differently to make them more convincing, but the approach to the effects are completely fetishistic: “Oooh, I like how that looks, let’d do that.”
I found Rian Johnson’s defense of the movie particularly strange given that he seems to be implying that it’s an auteur film, one guys vision. This was actually a film by committee, if ever I’ve seen one. I think many of the inconsistencies you’ve raised would simply be waved away by the production team as, ‘missing the point’. The reason for this is that their approach to making the trilogy is totally superficial. The best judge of this is children. Ask a kid SW fan what either of the new films are about, they won’t have a clue and they probably won’t care – I’ve tested this on family and friends. Ask them about the originals or the animations, they’ll explain the whole world to you in detail. The idea that they’re reinventing something for a new generation is total fucking nonsense. It already has been reinvented via books, animations, websites and Rogue One. These idiots just haven’t caught up.
Some of the basic plot points need not have been so bad: It would have been OK for Poe to be a hot-head, hot-shot pilot, who tries to take over the ship as long as they had followed through i.e. there has to be consequences for his actions one way or the other. Instead we get this hollowed out character, that at one point seemed relatively smart, but has suddenly developed a sense of entitlement and is being mothered and nurtured by these two dimensional matriarch figures, as he kills most of their army. The so called plot twists are a series of dead ends, as if Johnson knows he has no say in the next film therefore he has to wrap everything up in one. The ensemble cast would not be a problem if the writer, Johnson, knew what his priorities were and what core messages he wanted to put across. For instance, the animal appreciation angle could have made perfect sense if it was within the context of their connection to the force, something explored in the earlier films, but instead we get cheap jokes and random dead-ends where the animals are basically props designed to make the characters seem more heroic or noble, which fails miserably. Even the hyper-drive kamikaze attack could have been justified if it was explained that this was not usually possible due to shields or some other reason. Instead, we get the result of a brainstorming session where some idiot said, “Wouldn’t it be cool if they crashed at light speed.” Except we’ve already had Kamikaze stuff done in a far better way in Rogue One. One of the most stupid moments in the film was the engineer Rose Tico crashing into Finn as he tried to stop a giant laser canon, which makes you wonder why they bother racing all that way out to meet the gunners, how they managed to walk all the way back and, ‘Is Rian Johnson really so dumb that he thinks that’s a plot twist?’ It just reinforces how disjointed the whole thing is because idiots have sat around a table deciding what they want in the film, then they’ve tried to reverse engineer some convoluted plot to join the dots. There is no story, none of it means anything and we may as well be watching a computer game shoot-em-up. They could have literally killed the entire cast at the end, and I wouldn’t give a rats ass.
How did people actually get paid to come up with this banal mess that doesn’t even meet the basic demand of entertaining kids, which is why Disney bought it? Why wasn’t Abrams sacked as soon as they saw it? I think the reason why the reviews were mixed to positive wasn’t only down to bungs. I also believe there lots of ‘serious’ reviewers, who have never been Star Wars fans and so they quite like the idea of getting a series of Oscar nominated actors together and creating a pointless space comedy that (unintentionally) mocks the originals. They never bought into the fantasy world that existed in the background, so they don’t care if it’s deconstructed for no particular reason. Of course, once you’ve deconstructed that world, it’s just a bunch of cliched stories about parents expectations and children that never quite grow up, played out over a galactic war. And the sci-fi elements are just a bunch of gizmos you’ve seen done better elsewhere. The originals were probably so good because they weren’t about what they appeared to be about. There’s no hidden layers in the 2017 version.
January 30, 2018 at 11:54 am
Thanks for this comment Ross, a great addition to my review! I recently read Rian Johnson’s defense of the light-speed crash and it made very clear that he hasn’t got a clue what this universe is about or why internal consistency is important in sci-fi or fantasy, and it was as close to direct trolling of his critics as you can get. I think you’re right that these people didn’t have a clue about the universe (or sci fi in general) and I wonder if they were actively aiming to disappoint fans because, lacking any nuanced understanding of the universe, the only way they could tell they were doing “something new” was if it was going to piss off the fans. But I maintain that the main critics of this film were not just fans, but anyone who considers good movie-making to be important. This film was shit!
January 30, 2018 at 7:32 pm
@faustusnotes – I would agree with that entirely. It’s bad film-making on several different levels, as was the first of the trilogy. The cinematography and battle scene design is poor. The new vehicles are boring and science-free. I’m surprised how few people have mentioned that both films, but particularly TLJ, are actually aesthetically terrible as well – if the effects department or cinematography win any awards at all, you know they’ve been paid off.The aliens are so bad in some cases they would be more at home in a Spaceballs sequel – the scene in the Maz Kanata bar comes to mind. Watching the interaction between Kanata and the live action characters, you wonder how much progress has actually been made since Roger Rabbit. And am I the only one who finds the direction of Boyega extremely creepy – like he’s been told to play everything like an excited child in musical theatre. With some minor tweeks, that stuff could be an SNL sketch. If you want to take a superficial approach to sci-fi and just have a complete lark with the characters, that’s been done far better too e.g. The Fifth Element, which I suppose Besson tried to recreate the feel of with Valerian and the City of Sexual Harassment in the Workplace (and drowned himself in CGI and tired jokes unfortunately).
The really weird thing about Star Wars now is that hundreds of good sci-fi films and TV shows have been created by riffing on the original films (including some rather good Disney Animations), but now the owners of Star Wars are the worse people to give us Star Wars. I have a strong suspicion that Disney’s best personnel all work in kids animation and so they don’t know how to produce high quality live action drama or horror or sci-fi. Live action disney films are generally quite bad and you can see they were very worried about what Gareth Edwards was doing with Rogue One. Therefore they have handed this trilogy juggernaut over to someone they assumed was a safe pair of hands in order to get from point B to point C, in order that they can create all kinds of spin-off products for the new characters. I would imagine there were suggestions about ‘transitioning’ from old to new replacements. So the aim was probably not to make good films, but to create a sort of product line e.g. the plot device of ‘force projection’, whatever the fuck that is, seems to be a Deus Ex Machina ploy in order to turn the whole thing into a sort of children’s fairy tale, as if they need to bash out anything in the restraint of the old films that would limit future avenues they can explore. I have a strong suspicion they have actually killed their own product though, because once you turn Star Wars into another convoluted Marvel Comicon-porn, you’ve destroyed any unique selling points. The only reason Star Wars is still financially successful is massive marketing (Rogue One was technically more profitable as a percentage of gross spend than Force Awakens despite all the record breaking box offices) and because of anticipation. Kill the anticipation, kill the quasi-spiritual mythology, kill the cinematography, kill Luke, and you’re left with very little that’s uniquely salable, These Abrams films may make some big-bucks now, but in ten years people will still be downloading or streaming Avatar and Planet of The Apes (despite their problems they have enough praise worthy material to keep new generations coming back), but like Star Wars episodes II and III, nobody will return to these new films. They’re totally disposable and would be ditched by anyone who might buy part or all of the brand-name in future – kids just don’t care about them enough.
Where is the Alec Guinness of the new films? A classical actor, who despite his reservations, gave a committed and enigmatic performance, creating scenes that have been preserved by the Library of Congress as ‘culturally significant’. Who would that be in the new trilogy? Where are the groundbreaking effects or visual ideas of a Douglas Trumbull? http://www.animationmagazine.net/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/douglas-trumbull-510-post.jpg
If you’re going to make such a big fuss and have such a big budget, you have to do something that’s above the level of fucking Transformers and similar mobile phone app distractions.
January 30, 2018 at 8:17 pm
P.S. You should write an article on the claims of ‘originality’ by Johnson and Abrams, or ‘we had to disappoint the fans to do something new’. There is literally nothing new in this film. The combination of ideas are possibly the worse element of the production in fact. As much as TFA was garbage, it did at least set up the tantalising possibility that there was this new type of evil in the galaxy that could loosely be described as space-fascism. The black sun symbols and giant rallies, the brain washed and traumatised storm-troopers (something that the Rebels cartoon explores well). The obvious trajectory there would be to tell the story of the rise of the ‘new order’ or first order, to explore it’s ideology, it’s Nuremberg snow-planet and it plans for some super-weapon that could not be easily defeated by a fleet (http://overmental.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/The-Force-Awakens-Frame.jpg). Rather than spending two films trying to find Luke, they could spend it doing something actually useful that creates a sense of jeopardy, like trying to rebuild an alliance that has receded in peace times in order to find a hidden threat – some would say they are paranoid or old-fashioned and some would join them – scientist informers like Galen, plans on a much grander scale than another death-star but without ridiculous 4 pronged canons charged by the sun firing beams that look like they were made in ‘iMovie’ by a fifteen year old.
You could mirror the rise of fascism in Europe by having apologists or appeasers and gradually reveal the nature of the threat, building the tension towards the third film where the Black Sun super-weapon is revealed, possibly some sort of massive Hadron Collider that is designed to suck the undesirable ‘free’ part of the galaxy into a black-hole, leaving the baddies to conquer the rest, like the final destructive piece of this hidden dark religion of theirs – a real enemy to make children scared and therefore care more about the survival of their heroes and a nuanced enemy to boot – did they never wonder why Darth Vader was most kids favourite character!?. Exposition dialogue between Rey and Finn could be totally omitted as the meaning would become self-evident from the nature of the threat, and as the Jedi have receded they would have to be replaced by something equivalent and connected to that idea, which would emerge from the students of Luke (the new Yoda), to fight a new type of war. It would be very topical with the recent films made about Churchill (the human equivalent of General Ackbar) and so on and it would tie in with many of the ideas George Lucas had about space-nazis in Wehrmacht helmets and The Battle of Britain. Rogue One seems to be vaguely inspired by the story of the Norwegian commandos who stormed the heavy water nuclear facilities of Scandinavia – this spy based, heist concept, a tactical war that gradually reveals its true menace, has the capability to create anticipation and hype like the originals – people might actually care what the answers to their questions were. If you had a central focus like that, peripheral characters like Del-Toro’s smuggler would converge around that theme and serve some purpose to the story. Kids might not actually fall asleep in the cinema. The story is kind of there on a plate when you look at the symbolism and imagery the set designers have chosen, but the writers and producers are so incredibly stupid, they’ve dropped their own ball after it was handed to them. It must have been incredibly frustrating for some of the concept artists, who could probably see some better story in their head.
It’s amazing how these producers took such a simple task that’s handed to them by the existing icongraphy/designs and rather than reinventing the method of storytelling as they claim, they just killed the story by a thousand cuts until very few people care how it ends. It would have been easier to make an OK movie. I would love to know the process by which they so spectacularly fucked it up.
February 11, 2018 at 6:56 am
Fuck off you SCARY dumb, laughably tasteless, crybaby geek twat X )
February 11, 2018 at 6:57 am
@ Ross M
F’n CHRIST.
Nice LITERAL essay, fucktard loser geekoid XD XD XD
February 12, 2018 at 10:17 pm
Right now I’m working in Bangladesh and didn’t get a chance to see this loser’s comments, so I just realize they’re on here. I think I will leave them up as an example of the kind of lucid, intelligent commentary that this movie has attracted from its fans.
March 19, 2018 at 2:39 pm
Hero. Spot F-in on.
March 22, 2018 at 7:24 pm
Deep into March 2018 and this is still 100% correct !
March 25, 2018 at 10:07 am
Everything that I noticed wrong with the “Last Jedi”, and then some. Very well said indeed on your part. Disney systematically removing clips off Youtube now because fans debating and criticising this Horseshit of a movie.
Should be renamed “Star Wars:The Forced Diversity” (It stinks of political correctness)
In my mind’s eye, I picture a young Luke Skywalker standing over a Bluray copy of this movie and saying “What a piece of Junk!”
March 25, 2018 at 4:25 pm
Sclemtak,this movie is not especially more diverse than the originals and it is certainly not as diverse as Aliens. The problem here is not “forced diversity”, it’s bad film making.
March 25, 2018 at 5:41 pm
Yeah, we can prove the diversity is irrelevant – if every new/minor character were replaced by Mike Pence it’d still be garbage. You’d wonder why Mike Pence was unwilling to tell anyone his plan, you’d wonder why Mike Pence was introduced as a leader in the first one just to be cut down pointlessly here, you’d wonder why Mike Pence was being milked.
The fact that Holdo, Snoke and the walrus cow being replaced by Mike Pence doesn’t make the scenes any worse is what highlights the scenes were already terrible!
March 31, 2018 at 12:54 pm
Great article and you nail all the problems with it.
There seems to be a rather loud minority on the internet who blame all the problems with this movie on feminism and diversity. Even in the comment section here, they come here to scream about feminists and diversity.
It’s painful cause rightful criticisms of this abomination of a film are ignored over the internet trolls who would rather blame all their problems on feminism and diversity. It’s easier to answer the stuff blaming it all on feminism, rather than answering the serious criticisms that point out what an awful mess TLJ is.
This movie was awful. To be fair, I went in with low expectations cause of how bad TFA disappointed me, but this blew a hole in the floor in terms of disappointment.
WTF did they do to Luke Skywalker? This was a character assassination that no one wanted. It’s even more painful seeing this defended in articles and people trying to rationalize it in a way that it makes sense. This is the character who refused to give up on Vader when he sensed good in him, but now all of a sudden he gives up on a kid after sensing the dark side in him and tries to murder him in his sleep? There isn’t a single moment in this movie where we see the old Luke from the original trilogy, he’s a completely different character in this movie. They take the hero of the original movie and turn him into a coward who lives on an island for the remainder of his life hiding out and being angry over his failure. A complete farcry from the Luke who risked everything going to Cloud City to save his friends.
All those years of wanting a Star Wars sequel to ROTJ, I always pictured Han, Leia and Luke having some happy life since they defeated the Empire at the end. Instead, they’re all bitter old people who feel like they’re failures at everything. We don’t even get to see Han and Luke together on camera for one last time.
I wish they had went a different route with these movies rather than rehashing the original trilogy all over again. In TLJ, we never get any of the questions answered that we had from TFA, like who the hell is Snoke and where and what does he come from? They kill him off before anything can be answered. Why didn’t the Rebellion create a new government system? Who is the First Order and what are they besides a new version of the Empire? None of these questions are answered at all. You summed up all my problems with Poe Dameron and that character in general.
I would’ve liked to have seen a role reversal with the rebels as the New Republic in control and the Empire as some minority all these years after they lost their Emperor, Vader and the 2nd Death Star. Instead, we get a new version of the Empire and nothing is ever explained to us. We never have anything explained to us who Snoke is, where he comes from, or how in the hell they became so powerful to make a new Death Star.
There were so many ways they could’ve went with this but they decided to just rehash the OT. I know the prequels were badly received, but at least they had some original ideas and there are parts in there where they could’ve totally worked. I’ve noticed that people defending TLJ immediately point to the prequels and say “it’s not as bad as those movies!” but those movies at least had some original ideas in them, and probably could’ve worked if they had been better written. I don’t see where that’s possible with TFA and TLJ since it’s a perfectly safe, shameless reboot of the OT.
Rian Johnson had no business directing this movie and it’s clearly visible in interviews where he can’t even admit he got anything wrong and just goes in circles to defend his dumb ideas that went bad. I think that’s what bothers us greatly deep down is that Disney can’t admit when they get anything wrong and instead just double-down on everything. They blame the fans for not liking it. Everything is always blamed on us, even though we’re the ones who spent our hard earned money to be let down and disappointed. I won’t be seeing the next movie cause I honestly have lost all interest in it. They killed off the one character I was excited to see (Luke) after giving him one of the biggest character assassinations seen on screen. I just don’t have any emotional attachment to any of these new characters to care enough about what happens to them.
The funny part of this is, these new movies are so bad, they’re making the prequels age better and I can’t deny it. I’d much rather sit through Revenge of the Sith than TFA or TLJ ever again. George Lucas truly is a genius out of all of this. With Disney ruining this franchise, it makes his prequels look like much better movies. Lucas can forever say “you may hate my prequels, but I didn’t ruin Luke’s character or kill off Han Solo.”
March 31, 2018 at 6:10 pm
@Joe
“I would’ve liked to have seen a role reversal with the rebels as the New Republic in control and the Empire as some minority all these years after they lost their Emperor, Vader and the 2nd Death Star.”
This is actually a really good point. More than that, it would allow the movies to be structured with a message about terrorism in the modern age and good rebels (the original trilogy) vs bad rebels (modern terrorists). You could also focus on the challenges of doing good things when you’re already the ones in charge. I’m not saying that this would necessarily be good, but it would be different… And subverting the original trilogy’s “rebels are good” motif would be more fun than re-hashing it.
“With Disney ruining this franchise, it makes his prequels look like much better movies. Lucas can forever say “you may hate my prequels, but I didn’t ruin Luke’s character or kill off Han Solo.””
You’re not wrong, but I’m still not going to start liking them. 🙂
April 6, 2018 at 5:05 am
Is this a site where people can actually post what they think, unlike everywhere else on the fucking Internet? Sick and tired of getting my opinion censored left and right, just because it doesn’t correspond to the current “trend” of being positive about everything, even when everything is complete shit.
If it is, then fuck that dickless cuntsucking porgface of a wanna-be film director Rian Johnson. And screw (but not literally) that clueless, fat, old witch Kathleen Kennedy, who resembles more than anything the hideous alien monster cattle Luke milks in TLJ. I would see both of them launched into outer space, but I fear they would be too stupid to know how to die there.
April 16, 2018 at 12:47 am
For me there are only 6 episodes. Disney is just wrecking everything from films to games. Approved by a female CEO who has a huge chip on her shoulder because “men”. So she gets brainwashed puppets to perpetuate her agenda. Those who worked on the new films don’t even like star wars. It’s just a platform to push their flawed beliefs based on nothing but fiction. I refuse to spend time or money on anything Disney now. Pixar is okay because it has some autonomy but Disney is full of pig slurry.
April 18, 2018 at 8:10 pm
I have just watched this movie and couldn’t agree with you more.
Absolute contrived rubbish
At least I could scroll forward through the schlocky-est bits
April 21, 2018 at 4:53 pm
Late to the party as only just seen this. Interesting review and I largely agree. But I actually thought the story spine of the prequels was good albeit disguised by moments of shite. Still, at least the prequels did not simply rehash the originals. To play an advocate of devils…people age. Whilst many recognise the flaws in these new efforts an entire generation or 2 has no affinity for the originals. It’s only a matter of time before they are relegated to barely seen footnotes. I know people who have never heard of Goodfellas. When I was a kid I was unaware Dirty Rotten Scoundrels was a remake. It’s a cycle. These new films are soft reboots without the 70s 80s edge of the originals. Christ…I’m dreading the Indiana Jones reboot.
Still they had moments…my highlight was the moment the ginger teen general found the emo sith and went for his blaster only for emosith to wake…but these moments were rare and largely opaque imitations of better moments.
Anyway I enoyed your review.
Here’s hoping Lando pops up in 9 and goes out like a hero unlike Han and Luke.