This week Crooked Timber seems to be on a bit of a thanksgiving roll, and has various commentaries on the greats of the revolution and the civil war, mostly negative. In amongst them is a nasty little piece on Thomas Jefferson as prototypical fascist racial theorist, which is stirring some aggressive debate. As always there’s some really interesting material in the comments, and it appears that some genuine historians of that era are stalking the comment thread, dispensing their wisdom. At the same time, various defenders of Jefferson are rocking up and throwing stones, and I note that (rightly or wrongly) the response over there to the suggestion that one of the founding fathers was a racial essentialist is very similar to the response that I sometimes see here to my accusations that Tolkien’s work presents a model of inter-war or Nazi racist theory. We get quotes from his letters presented as proof against his public utterances; we get elision of the central question of the debate (did the man propound a racist theory?) with other, less relevant questions (was he a bad man?); we get accusations that it’s all just do-gooding liberal self-haters hating; we get told to leave off because he was just a product of his time[1]. Admittedly the debate as presented there is simultaneously murkier and clearer: Jefferson’s writings are political writings, and he held political influence, so any racial theorizing in his writings is rather more relevant to black people in America than anything in Tolkien’s; but at the same time Jefferson enacted good laws to free slaves, so we have to find a way to understand the laws in light of the speech, and this is not a problem that applies to Tolkien. But I sense that a certain proportion of the American populace, including academia, hold the founding fathers in a similar degree of reverence to that with which the nerd world holds Tolkien, and for those people the challenge of reconciling Jefferson’s private words with his public acts induces a level of distress that is interesting to observe, and I think similar to the distress some nerds feel when they realize that their central, canonical text is also a racist guidebook.
For my lights, I haven’t a clue about Jefferson and I don’t think the founding Fathers should be held in any esteem – we’re 300 years past their due date and the constitution they wrote is a flawed business, as is the Republic they founded. But the debate is interesting[2], and it seems that Jefferson’s defenders can’t cope with the central thrust of the post, which is that Jefferson believed it right to free slaves, but was preparing a quite unpleasant racial theory to justify nasty measures in the aftermath. There’s a lot of evidence presented in comments that having unpleasant views about black people is not inconsistent with being opposed to slavery, so for example Lincoln is quoted as having said:
I have no purpose to introduce political and social equality between the white and the black races. There is a physical difference between the two, which in my judgement will probably forever forbid their living together upon the footing of perfect equality… I agree with judge Douglas he is not my equal in many respects – certainly not in color, perhaps not in moral or intellectual endowment. But in the right to eat the bread, without leave of anybody else, which his own hand earns, he is my equal and the equal of Judge Douglas, and the equal of every living man. (emphasis in original)
I think that this kind of position – standing up to your fellow racial equals for the rights of people you think are inferior, in a situation that is rapidly heading towards war – is an enormously brave and noble undertaking, although the stupidity of the beliefs presented there should be self-evident in the modern age. But it shows that we can judge people of previous eras by our modern lights: Lincoln, though he thought black people inferior to whites, still understood the importance of compassion and basic dignity, and his actions and words show that it is possible to demand a certain basic universal compassion at all stages of history. And from what’s written in the main post, it’s not clear that Jefferson was on board with that compassion, and his defenders aren’t able to make a clear argument to state that he was[3]. This is rather disappointing for an academic blog, but not unexpected given the topic.
Nonetheless, it’s interesting to see that similar defensive strategies appear in both debates. I guess it’s a universal hallmark of the fanboy …
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fn1: though Chris Y at comment 24 deals with that nicely:
Samuel Johnson also: “How is it that we hear the loudest yelps for liberty among the drivers of negroes?”
fn2: There’s a cute side-note about Washington in the comments, that players of my Compromise and Conceit campaign will love: during the retreat from New York the British evacuated all their black allies, and Washington, charming soul that he was, made repeated demands of the British that they leave behind “American property” (i.e. several thousand human beings). That’s exactly what the Washington in my campaign would have done too, had he lived. Or perhaps in suing for peace he would have demanded the repatriation of his “property.”
fn3: Though neither his defenders nor the writer of the post seem to be interested in making an effort to reconcile the conflicting opinions Jefferson seemed to hold, which I would have thought was a key part of the task of defending or damning him.
December 5, 2012 at 7:17 pm
1. It’s a little different to say “Person X’s political statement’s condoning racism” and “Person Y’s fantasy novel is a racist track because the pain I’ve huffed made me realise that orcs represent black people” [1]
The former is actually said in the text, the second is what you derive from a given text.
2. Your quote from Lincoln quote would seem to strongly suggest he was racist. Good to know you can find it everywhere. [3]
[1] How the Southron’s represent black people is at least an argument that doesn’t rely on being high to understand. [2]
[2] For contrast, why anyone would think that both Southrons and Orcs represent black people is one that does.
[3] This isn’t entering into a debate on whether he was or wasn’t, it’s just pointing out that when the Great Emancipator can be shown as being racist, we can pretty safely assume that everyone else is going to be too.
December 5, 2012 at 8:20 pm
Apparently not, judging by some of the comments at CT, where defenders of Jefferson are arguing that judging the man’s quotes by what they directly say is somehow an exercise in fantasy, and we should instead be reading between the lines, or ignoring the nasty in favour of some other stuff he wrote. In fact, I would argue that comparing Orcs to black people is much less of a leap of faith than saying that someone who openly argued for the exclusion of black people from the body politic wasn’t a racist.
Also, “huffing pain”? Are you saying I’m some kind of emo boy?
December 6, 2012 at 6:43 pm
You’ve got to remember, this is a blog about fantasy, and as such most of your commentators are staunch literalists 🙂 , whereas Crooked Timber is a political blog, implying everyone there is a fantasist.
“In fact, I would argue that comparing Orcs to black people is much less of a leap of faith than saying that someone who openly argued for the exclusion of black people from the body politic wasn’t a racist.”
This is reasonable, and given the choice between defending Tolkien [1] and Jefferson I’ll circle my wagons around the fantasy author.
When I read “huffing pain” it actually took me a second to realise it was a typo on my part rather than some obscure reference to the Huffington Post.
[1] I’m on the record as disliking his writing style, right?
December 9, 2012 at 4:17 pm
Interesting responses at CT – I learned a lot. But I think the post and maybe this one too miss a point. Human history has a limited palette, combined in an endlessly varying sets of ways. So all rulers rely on some mix of force, fraud, persuasion, consent and so on. Race and hierarchy were natural categories to people of Jefferson’s and Tolkien’s era (as race was to my gentle old mum), so of course they are in the mix. That does not make them fascist. If fascism had one distinguishing feature it was the emphasis on action for its own sake (the other elements were a brew of national/biological/religious particularism, corporatism and leader-worship). Nor, as Lincoln’s example shows, does it make them racist in some sense of a doctrine about race,
That said, Jefferson’s position as a slave-owner, half-brother to black slaves and probable father of black slaves gives his position a peciuliar twist.
December 9, 2012 at 4:59 pm
I don’t read the Huffington post so I can’t guess the pain it causes. But I do frequently get Graun pain from reading the Guardian …
Peter I think the use of the word “fascist” about Jefferson is a little unfortunate[1], since fascism is a specific type of political action that has a clear agenda completely out of whack with Jefferson’s ideals on democracy. I can’t imagine based on anything JEfferson wrote that he would ever support any form of fascist politics, no matter the particular role they gave to race. I put a few comments over there though about the idea that Jefferson is not an influential thinker on race theory, though. It’s a strange sight to see people charging in to defend a man who they respect for his profound political influence, and using as their primary defense the claim that his ideas on race couldn’t possibly have been more influential than anyone else’s. Maybe they didn’t have any direct influence on Hitler, but that doesn’t mean they didn’t influence others. Certainly the legislative history seems to follow Jefferson’s prescription.
I also learnt a lot from that thread, it was very interesting.
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fn1: that is to say, wildly wrong.
December 10, 2012 at 6:57 pm
On Jefferson’s influence, it is worth factoring in he participated in scientific debate too, specifically on a topic that suggested North American inhabitants were rendered inferior to European ones: http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/science/2012/09/thomas_jefferson_s_moose_how_the_founding_fathers_debunked_count_buffon_s_offensive_theory_of_new_world_degeneracy_.html
The fact he worked so hard to refute the idea that “living in America made you a lesser race” while accepting that “being a lesser race isjust what those people with different coloured skins are” is pretty funny. When combined with his views on race it suggests the possibility his work on degeneracy in America was driven by a desire not to be lumped in with black people.
December 13, 2012 at 9:52 am
Good sleuthing Paul! I think Jefferson also held Native Americans to be higher than black Americans on the scale of humanity, though he appears to have done so grudgingly. It’s funny when people have a strong theory for categorizing others, and then suddenly find themselves victims of exactly the same logic from someone else. I think that CT thread mentions that Jefferson was a fan of Buffon – how shocking to be slotted into a “degenerate” category by someone you admire, using exactly the same silly theories you have been deploying to justify your own cruelty.
I discovered recently that Greyhawk Grognard – who is a “Republican Pagan” – is incensed about a game about killing witches, but simultaneously at pains to point out he is not being politically correct when he says it’s disgusting and normalizes killing. But in the comments he refuses to get incensed about a wargame that involves killing Native Americans (also pagans!), and on his GOPagan blog he advocates that Israel should exterminate everyone in Hamas. I guess the challenges of being a pagan in a christian party must occasionally throw up some irreconcilable differences …
December 14, 2012 at 7:39 am
Cognative dissonance is something that happens to pretty much anyone with more than one strong belief.
Hence my insistence on only believing things long enough to mount an argument that winds others up, then abandoning that belief. No cognative dissonance for me! Explicitly flexible mercenary morality for the win!
December 15, 2012 at 10:07 am
A wise plan that is sure to get you into heaven!