Imagine our planet sends out a colony ship, to colonize some distant planet. It’s flying at near light speed, but the journey is still expected to take about 300 years; time dilation effects on the ship mean shipboard it’s only, say, 150 years – 5 or 6 generations. While the ship is speeding to its destination, development continues on earth, and about 100 years after launch they discover faster-than-light travel. By the time the colony ship reaches its destination the planet has already been colonized, populated, developed and matured. The colonists arrive to a huge party, to discover their mission was pointless.
If you were one of the middle-aged residents of that colony ship, would you be happy with the society that sent your great-grandparents out into the dark? You spent your entire youth and young adulthood in a tin can, for nothing except the promise that soon – in your lifetime – you would arrive at a new world and have the chance to make a unique contribution to human history. Instead, some bunch of cosseted earth-siders got their first, because they had the good fortune to be born 200 years later. Your contribution becomes a footnote, for which you waited 40 years in the freezing dark, drinking your own piss.
Crooked Timber has an interesting discussion about the viability of colonizing interstellar space, started from one of John Quiggin’s economists’ assumptions. In amongst all the technical jiggery-pokery about giga-joules and the Great Filter, a few people have pointed out the moral bankruptcy of colony ships, based on the simple and obvious fact that the children are being born into a tin can, and have no way out. Thinking about this at the gym (which, presumably for weight purposes, a colony-ship wouldn’t have), it occurred to me that the moral issues associated with colonization are getting a lot more real than those discussed in the Crooked Timber post, and that we need to be aware of a serious risk of moral hazard, and of serious ethical challenges, in our lifetime. I speak, of course, of the Mars One private mission to Mars.
Mars One and moral hazard
Mars One aims to settle up to 40 humans on Mars by 2025, on a one way mission. The mission will be financed by some kind of Big Brother style TV show documenting the (no doubt fascinating) process of colonizing Mars. The settlement is intended to slowly develop, even to ultimately be able to expand using local materials – hopefully to even build a dome of some kind large enough to grow trees. But it is likely that for the foreseeable future it will be dependent on supplies from Earth, and that these supplies will be coming through the parent company – which is financing itself through the sale of research opportunities and the TV options. For a few years this seems like a pretty viable source of income, but people will get bored of the Mars TV, and anyway we don’t know what will happen to that parent company. This all raises the very real possibility that the company will fail, at which point those people on Mars are ostensibly going to be cut off from their supplies. There is also the possibility that they will breed out there in the Red, and that their children won’t be happy about their birth situation. Which raises two scenarios demanding attention from the people of earth:
- The company goes bust, and suddenly the task of supplying those 40+ people (80 if the adults have been breeding efficiently) falls on … who? A government will have to step in and bail out those people, because no one on Earth is going to tolerate the possibility that 40 or more people in the world’s first ever interstellar colony will starve to death because of a corporate bankruptcy. This project is too hope-y to fail. Once the company gets those shmucks onto Mars, the rest of the world is going to be basically strong-armed by morality and sentiment into backing the project no matter what. And given that currently there are only three groups – NASA, ESA and Russia – capable of getting stuff to Mars, this means it will be Europe, the USA and Russia that foot the bill if anything goes wrong. This is classic moral hazard, banker bailouts on an interstellar scale (if not financial magnitude): the private company raises a couple of billion bucks to sink into a stupid high-risk project and then, when it collapses, for reasons not predicted by the regulatory authorities, it can’t be allowed to go down.
- The company continues, and the settlement is a success, but the Children of Mars decide they would like to swim in the sea. They point out to their earthbound cousins that they didn’t ask to be born in a Mars colony and they would like to go home. If the original company is gone under this problem will be even more pronounced: not only is the ESA and NASA supplying the adults, but now the kids point out (quite reasonably) that they want out of their squalid little collection of domes. But nobody has the means to get them out. That wasn’t planned for. To get them out, space agencies will have to send the component parts for a rocket, then the fuel, and the folks on Mars will have to assemble that rocket, and with no option for test flights, the kids will hop on and come back to Earth. That’s a hideously expensive project, but someone on Earth is going to have to foot the bill and it’s going to be very hard to deny that responsibility. Of course, once the kids start going back, the adults will demand the same right. Which means that Earth has to either tell them – we’ll keep supplying you till you die, in a society with no children (who’s going to care for you?), or “sure, you made this decision 20 years ago when you were young and stupid, but we’ll bail you out now.” That’s classic moral hazard.
You can see the way this will play out on earth, but in case 2) it is possible that the original inventors of the project will be dead. No one will even be around to be angry at. And, in a really visceral way, no one is going to be able to say no. Of course one can imagine other scenarios: imagine that the first settlement was made by the USA under Kennedy, and they were willing to spend 2% of their GDP on it; 40 years and a couple of financial crises later, with an increasingly oligarchical and corrupt government, suddenly Americans have a huge public debt and a weird resistance to growing more, their economy is declining, economic power is shifting east – but they still have to commit to sending supplies to That Stupid Colony. The kids of the new era might think they had been shackled with an unreasonable burden (“we could spend that money on Obamacare”) but of course, their choices about it are restricted to either abandoning the colony to starve, or paying some fantabulous amount of money to bring them back. This is hardly a fair choice to saddle your grandkids with. And of course, the original colonists are the people who made the stupid choice to go there, but even if you made them pay they wouldn’t be able to – no human being can work off a debt that size.
Note also the costs of supply will escalate if there are unforeseen medical problems associated with low gravity: then money will have to be sunk into solving the problem, and not by the company that sent them up there. And who is going to educate the kids? That is usually a state responsibility, but no one is going to be setting up a school on Mars. A solution will have to be found based on some kind of school of the air.
But there are other, unpleasant moral issues that will arise in the future of such a colony.
The morality of forced interstellar stardom
Mars One aim to pay for their project through some kind of television project, that will start from 2025. No doubt for a short time this will be hugely popular, but after a few years of watching people wandering around in a couple of inflatable domes the viewers are going to get tired. Revenues will decline. The company will have growing costs though, as the colony needs supplies to feed more members. What will the company do? It might be able to make up the shortfall in research services (“you want to investigate that crater? We’ll send a rover”) but there will be a limit to this, and of course as they try to sell more research services the price will go down. So then, naturally, they will begin to try to make the TV show more appealing. And how are they going to do that?
Zero-G porn.
Of course, for starters they’ll use the usual run of Big Brother-style offerings: stupid game shows, conflict, diary-room confessions, titillating shower scenes (well, maybe not, on Mars). But this will pale after a few years, and we all know what will happen next. Pressure will be brought to bear. Things will be done. People’s relationships will be laid bare. The failing relationships will be filmed; the young couples getting together; people’s most private moments. And the colonists will face an unpleasant choice: the person who supplies your water is telling you you need to make your tv show more “appealing” by doing X. Will you refuse? Probably not. And then, of course, there will be children in all this. Will they even be told about the cameras? At some point they will realize that all their earliest years of development were being filmed against their will by some arseholes a billion kms away, and watched by a million more arseholes. When they come of age, into their tiny domed town of 100 people, they’re probably going to have some righteous wrath saved up.
What will they do? What should we do about what they’re going to do, what has been done to them? When these kids, who have never been to a prom (but have seen prom-date movies), who have never been to a nightclub (but have watched music videos), who have a choice of, like, 6 partners (but have watched a thousand rom-coms) demand to return to a land with trees and standing water, what are the people on earth going to say to them? “We enjoyed watching you grow up on a strange planet, but we can’t afford to have you back”?
What does a riot look like, in a domed city made of plastic on a world with no atmosphere?
There is also, of course, the endless possibility for horror in this settlement. Suppose a dome blows, and the usual emergency systems don’t work properly: the colony loses its farm section, and no matter how hard we try we can’t get the food to them in time because it’s physically impossible. There’ll be no eating grass roots and insects and watching children with swollen bellies but knowing a precious few will survive, like Ethiopia in the 1980s. Everyone will have the certain knowledge that they will die. Will we be forced to watch as they turn to cannibalism? Who will turn off the tv feed? What if they have a broadcast installation? Then the videos will be going up on youtube no matter what the company does, and anyone with a dish will be able to see the sordid terrible end of our first stellar mission. We can all imagine hundreds of similar scenarios, and all of them on film by design.
Preparing for the moral hazard of Mars One
It’s not looking likely that anyone is going to ban Mars One, but it seems to me that as a society we need to come up with a plan for what will happen as a result of it. This isn’t Jonestown or even Greenland in the 15th century: whether we as individuals agree with the project, once it is in place on Mars we will all be watching it and cheering it on. Which means that we need to recognize that there is a risk that things will go wrong, and future generations – or us, in 30 years time – will have to bail out at enormous cost a project which was marginal from the beginning. I think governments need to find a way to prepare for that, and I don’t think it’s unreasonable to suggest that the first step in that preparation is to make Mars One think about the future. At the very least, some of the capital they raise needs to be put aside against eventualities. Some possible uses for a Mars wealth fund include:
- Simple investment, to ensure that by the time things go wrong there is a stock of money available to finance special projects
- Trust funds for the kids. They’re going to want stuff, and we’re going to need to provide it, so we should prepare
- Funding directly to government-run space research projects, especially projects for deep space propulsion and Mars exploration. If the funds are used to develop alternative ways of getting to and living on Mars, it improves the options for those people in the future
- Contingency funds for if the Mars population grows too fast
- Profits could be invested in sending extra supplies to Mars, to build redundancy and stockpiles
With mechanisms like this in place, bailouts will be less costly, and there will be insurance against risk.
Laws also need to be passed. Governments need to look very carefully at the contracts these colonists are signing, and add clauses about the rights of colonists to refuse new entertainment demands, and the way that those contracts might extend (or be inferred to extend) to children. Anything involving porn or cam-girl type stuff needs to be carefully discussed. Some kind of dispute resolution system is going to be necessary, possibly even independent oversight. Imagine, for example, that a Mars colonist is being pressured to do some semi-nude stuff, but doesn’t want to: what options does he have to resolve that? What if the company refuses him access to a workplace rights lawyer? The company at the very least should be forced to establish an independent communications system, guaranteed by government, so that people on Mars can have a reliable and independent way to contact friends, relatives and conciliation bodies. Otherwise they will essentially be slaves.
I don’t think any of this has been considered.
Are Mars One taking the piss?
I’m noting that there is an application fee of between $5 and $75 for potential Martians, and they are hoping to recruit a million applicants. If the Mars One people are planning to fold before the project is initiated they will make a lot of money. It seems like a lot of aspects of this project are going to run on a very tight deadline, and haven’t been thought through. Is it possible that the whole thing is a get-rich-quick scheme that is never going to see reality? It seems very possible to me. But if not, we as a society need to be thinking very carefully about what we want to tolerate up there, and how we’re going to manage the ethical challenges and moral hazards of a private initiative to colonize Mars.
May 29, 2013 at 12:29 pm
“based on the simple and obvious fact that the children are being born into a tin can, and have no way out.”
Everyone human ever born has been on a spaceship (of some sort) with no way off. The only thing that a generation ship would change is size and décor.
”A government will have to step in and bail out those people, because no one on Earth is going to tolerate the possibility that 40 or more people in the world’s first ever interstellar colony will starve to death because of a corporate bankruptcy. This project is too hope-y to fail.”
What? You have two logical failings here. 1) A government has to step in – without indicating why it has to be a government; and 2) You assert that it is such a hope-y project that governments would have to step in, but assume that at the same time no one watches the show causing the parent corporate to fail.
”This is classic moral hazard, banker bailouts on an interstellar scale (if not financial magnitude): the private company raises a couple of billion bucks to sink into a stupid high-risk project and then, when it collapses, for reasons not predicted by the regulatory authorities, it can’t be allowed to go down.”
I agree it’s a moral hazard. But the solution here is the same as with banking. The other actors should be really clear that they’re not going to bail anyone out and then they should not bail anyone out.
You can bet that the Russian and China will successfully navigate this moral hazard.
PS: By 2025 you have to assume that China will be a sizeable enough player in space to be considered too.
”They point out to their earthbound cousins that they didn’t ask to be born in a Mars colony …”
This argument is seriously weak. Earth could simply respond that another bunch of people never asked to be born into abject poverty with not even a dome over their head and that the children’s complaints will be addressed in the order received. Then wait for the sun to explode to humanity to go extinct, cause earth bound poverty will still exist then.
I guess the Earth people could offer them the same option available to anyone else who doesn’t like the life circumstances.
”Zero-G porn.”
I was engaged with your post up until this point.
At this point I realised:
1. I regarded any sacrifice as acceptable to provide a new form of porn, but
2. You were cruelly taunting me. Mars porn would be .38 earth gravity porn, not 0g.
“What does a riot look like, in a domed city made of plastic on a world with no atmosphere?”
Short. If anyone is stupid enough to puncture the dome.
It’d probably make good TV though.
Ultimately, I think the best way of dealing with this is a rational, forward looking market based approach. You identify children and pressure to perform porn as the primary risks.
The solution is:
1. Send only cam-girl lesbians who are aware they are embarking on a one porn trip [1].
2. Profit
[1] Are their porn trips that aren’t one way?
May 29, 2013 at 12:50 pm
Opening scene of Dark Star
May 29, 2013 at 1:00 pm
Yes, I’m definitely making assumptions here. I’m assuming that a government would be required to step in because the settlement became unprofitable (before that it’s easy to imagine receivership, restructurings, buyouts, etc.). I’m also assuming a cynical side to human nature, in which the majority of the planet stop watching the show but when the shit hits the fan, they become all obssessed with its hopiness. I think this isn’t without precedent: see, e.g., the hordes of British voters who don’t use their local hospital but become outraged if the government proposes closing it. Now, you may think that this is an unreasonably cynical judgment of humanity, but I don’t.
Most importantly, I’m assuming that very few people will see the plight of a child born on Mars and a child born in poverty in, say, Angola, in anywhere the same way. If this assumption is wrong then you’re right, there’ll be no moral hazard because governments won’t be put under popular pressure to respond to the colony’s collapse ahead of other serious concerns. But that’s not likely, in my view. What will happen is that there will be a huge popular demand for the colony not to fail, and those who are poor or desperate for the same reason (born in a terrible situation) on earth will be pushed down the queue behind the space kiddies. This is likely to create its own tensions, especially if the need to finance a Mars rescue mission occurs in a recession …
The arguments you’re putting against my concern are all correct and I agree with them, but they’re not realistic. Our experience with banker’s bailouts and car industry subsidies in Australia (as well, no doubt, as a wide range of subsidies and bailouts in other settings) shows us that governments will always choose the moral hazard, and subsidization of struggling industry, when the alternative is too distasteful (i.e. would lead to a loss of votes) and/or when the bail-ee is “too big to fail.” You’re right in principle that “the solution here is the same as banking,” but what actually happened in banking was … a huge bailout. In this case the “too big to fail” element is that the colony is too morally big (rather than financially), but I don’t think that is an unreasonable assumption.
(i.e. I’m not making normative statements here, I’m guessing cynically at what would happen in the real world – do you have any evidence to suggest I’m being overly cynical about the potential response of governments to popular pressure?)
Also, cam-girl lesbians in space … sounds like a business plan we should pitch to Mars One!
May 29, 2013 at 1:01 pm
Peter T, I haven’t seen Dark Star…
May 29, 2013 at 8:27 pm
“This is likely to create its own tensions, especially if the need to finance a Mars rescue mission occurs in a recession …”
So you’re saying only the Tea Party can save us from this moral hazard?
I shoot, vote and don’t care about Martians as they’re illegal aliens?
May 30, 2013 at 9:54 am
Yes, the Tea Party will need the Mars rescue funds to be diverted to prop up their medicare and social security …
Actually, my guess is that the Tea Party would see this as an opportunity to exalt American power. They seem like the kind of political group that decries the shrinking of American space exploration at the same time as they moan about guvt waste. Their hero is Reagan, after all, who presided over a huge increase in govt debt so he could finance space exploration and win the cold war. A lot of Tea Party fellow travellers in the denialosphere seem to do this – they complain that NASA spends money on climate research instead of space programs, at the same time as they decry govt spending and claim AGW is a plot to produce more.
I think very few politicians would be able to resist the pressure and/or the siren call of doing good/projecting power/being glorious. Imagine if Blair was in power – he would see this as a chance to strut the world stage, provide a moral fig leaf for his vampirism, and restore British national pride. But the USA would have to do all the heavy lifting!
May 30, 2013 at 4:17 pm
“Their hero is Reagan, after all, who presided over a huge increase in govt debt so he could … win the cold war.”
Is this your agreement that Reagan won the cold war?
🙂
“I think very few politicians would be able to resist the pressure and/or the siren call of doing good/projecting power/being glorious.”
I think Chinese politicans would have an easy time resisting it. And most Russian ones to, though Putin may perform a rescue if he could be personally present.
And give it 10 years of austerity politics and you may find that EU and US politicians become more like that too…
May 30, 2013 at 9:33 pm
Great movie. Not too much of a spoiler to say it opens with a congressman making a broadcast to the crew saying that support for the mission did not make it through committee, but since this message will take 171 years to reach them, he thinks they may figure something out…
You are right on the moral logic – it’s Saving Private Ryan all over, and there is a long history of private ventures that had to be rescued by government (Panama Canal and Channel Tunnel are two that leap straight to mind). Plus only one company has survived as long as 90 years in the Dow.
June 1, 2013 at 11:26 am
Yes, also Reagan found the cure for AIDS, and ended crime.
Russia just announced it’s going to deliver S-300 missiles to Syria, basically creating a whole new era of destabilization in the middle east. I think they’re more than happy to do populist – and dangerous – things where it might serve to assert their position as a global power. And China is actually very careful to engage in the odd bit of populism to maintain a quite strong form of nationalism (as well as being increasingly involved in the space race). I don’t think we have any evidence about China’s willingness to cast its own citizens to the dogs on the international stage, and I think they can be quite protective. Just because a country is not democratic doesn’t mean it doesn’t care for its citizens (I don’t think you’re unaware of this though) …
Peter T, good point about the longevity of companies, though I suspect some companies have been around for hundreds of years but just morphed their form. I think this example is a variant on the challenge of disposing nuclear waste. If a private company were to take on that task, it would need to have a business model that was capable of lasting over potentially milennia (depending on the waste). This is obviously a big challenge, and when the company fails the need to keep the waste secure would mean that a govt would have to step in. Is this an example of the inability of capitalism to manage very long term challenges?
How would a purely libertarian society respond to the challenge of nuclear waste? For example, for the company that disposes of the waste, the land it is on is an asset. But if that company goes bust because the waste disposal industry is no longer profitable, its land becomes a liability. What happens in a pure libertarian economic model in this case?
June 1, 2013 at 1:27 pm
“This is obviously a big challenge, and when the company fails the need to keep the waste secure would mean that a govt would have to step in. Is this an example of the inability of capitalism to manage very long term challenges?”
I know that you’re a fan of the nation state, but your knee jerk reaction that a nation is the solution has bugger all evidence to support it.
Specifically, you’re talking about nuclear waste, which has a half life of thousands of years. By contrast, a quick internet search suggests that San Merino is the oldest nation, which came into existence in 301, making it about 17 centuries old (http://geography.about.com/od/politicalgeography/a/Oldest-Country-In-The-World.htm). Lets put aside the fact they didn’t get independence till 1631 [1] and accept this figure. It suggests that 1) The odds of any nation successfully caring for nuclear waste over its radioactive lifespan is basically zero and 2) At best we’re looking a having this waste cared for by something that would be totally irradiated by an accident [2].
I didn’t find an average age of modern nations figure by my couple of searches. But if we restrict it to “continuously operating governments” I suspect the average figure will be below 100 years due to the large number of nations which took their modern form in the 20th century. It’d also be a little lower if we took “continuously operating governments that honour previous commitments” it’d go even lower depending on whether that honouring means paying debts or not breaking political promises from former governments [3].
The oldest company can can find reference to was 14 centuries old (http://www.investopedia.com/financial-edge/0711/5-of-the-worlds-oldest-companies.aspx) and is now defunct.
Based on this, it’s basically a line ball on whether nations or companies are better long term survivors. Perhaps we can only rely on an expanded form of Keynes advice: In the long run, nations and companies are just as dead as the rest of us.
Clearly, the only long term solution is to ignore both companies and nations if you want long term care. The only thing that has lasted for the sort of time frames we’re discussing as professions that have remained useful. Farmers, priests and whores have all been around as long as any form of civilization. The logical solution is to either worship or try to sleep with the nuclear waste.
“How would a purely libertarian society respond to the challenge of nuclear waste? For example, for the company that disposes of the waste, the land it is on is an asset. But if that company goes bust because the waste disposal industry is no longer profitable, its land becomes a liability. What happens in a pure libertarian economic model in this case?”
An interesting question, but I’m not even sure I can align my assumptions with your well enough to answer it. If I’m a libertarian in a purely libertarian society then I buy some land and bury waste in it. After I die or the company folds (whatever) someone else can buy the land and use it. As a libertarian society prizes property rights it’d have records of who owned the land and (almost certainty) what it was used for (to prevent information asymmetry between buyer and seller). So you can buy it and use it as a pretty view (safely) or raise your (eleven toed) kids on it. Why would the accounting practice matter? And even to the extent it does matter the value of the land doesn’t go negative, the worst case scenario is putting up a sign saying “Danger” (or not) and walking away.
[1] Which kind of makes calling it 17 centuries old like saying that London has been around in various forms for 2 millennia and may one day become a city state, so lets call it the oldest nation preemptively.
[2] San Merino is 24 square miles. Fukushima’s recommended evacuation area had a 12 mile radius: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_reaction_to_Fukushima_Daiichi_nuclear_disaster#Evacuation_zone_partial_lifted
[3] Clearly if a politician promises to ensure the safekeeping of nuclear waste forever we can safely assume that that really means “Until it’s clear one way or another how I’m doing in the next election.”
June 1, 2013 at 4:12 pm
I think you’re misinterpreting my reply. I’m not suggesting that a nation state has the solution, only that it would be a nation state that would be required to step in with a solution if the private sector refuses. Just as with the Mars example, I’m assuming a nation state would step in only after restructuring, administration, etc. options were exhausted. For example, if the nuclear waste disposal industry suddenly became unprofitable, or this particular company so unprofitable that no private rescuer could be found. Again, not a normative statement about who is best placed to manage waste.
The time issue with nuclear waste is a really interesting one. With some kinds of waste it’s not just nation states and companies that don’t last long enough – it’s whole cultures. For example, suppose that a nuclear waste dump had been created at Stonehenge in the 2nd Century AD. There is no way that we moderns would be able to read the instruction manual or the safety warnings, because British culture and language has changed so much since then. It’s entirely possible with some forms of nuclear waste that whole societies will have come and gone before it has decayed enough to be harmless. That’s a fascinating problem.
A while back Bob Hawke proposed nuclear waste storage as a high profit industry for Australia. He pointed out that Australia is the most geologically stable country on the planet, and also very politically stable, so would be an ideal candidate. I think this is a remarkably optimistic view of the future of Australia and, as some people pointed out at the time, the half life of some nuclear isotopes is longer than the history of most extant civilizations – so it’s a little rich to assume Australia is that uniquely politically stable. But I have an interesting idea about how that problem could be solved that I might blog about tomorrow.
Your libertarian explanation sounds about right. I guess the problem would arise if the waste was at risk of contaminating the water table – that is, someone had to step in and manage it, but the land was worthless so they couldn’t make a profit from it. I don’t think the principle that the neighbours own the land from the sky to the core would solve this problem, because the water table is a shared resource. They can’t sue (because the company has gone bust). No one wants to buy it and run it because the original business is no longer profitable for reasons I’m hand-waving away out of pure bastardry; but no one can run an alternative business on the land because it’s polluted. What is the solution then?
(Actually, if you read the people at catallaxy or Reason, a perfectly sensible solution would be for a slum lord to buy up the land and rent it cheap to poor people, with a big warning on the contract saying “you will get radiation sickness.” This would be “okay” in some interpretations of libertarianism).
It’s interesting that you say “the worst case scenario is putting up a sign saying “Danger” (or not) and walking away.” because in a previous post on Rhodes I pointed out that this phenomenon of half-finished and abandoned buildings made Greece look untidy, poor and chaotic. Is it the case that a libertarian society would resemble Greece or some other failing European peripheral state?
June 2, 2013 at 11:17 am
”I think you’re misinterpreting my reply. I’m not suggesting that a nation state has the solution, only that it would be a nation state that would be required to step in with a solution if the private sector refuses.”
Ok. I can agree with you that a nation state, with its goal of overseeing common goods/interests, would be more likely to manage a shared problem than a random company, which would only logically do it for a net benefit [1].
For an insight into a thought experiment on managing nuclear waste see: http://www.damninteresting.com/this-place-is-not-a-place-of-honor/
It’s actually part of the reason I arced up at the idea of saying nations can manage nuclear waste as it’s centre assumption is that is incorrect.
”I don’t think the principle that the neighbours own the land from the sky to the core would solve this problem, because the water table is a shared resource.”
I agree this is an issue in defining libertarian solutions. The logical solution is something like “Impacts to others need to be prevented or they have to be compensated, potentially in advance.” But that doesn’t consider scenarios where the harm cannot be predicted.
I’d actually suggest that nations aren’t much better at dealing with problems after they happen [3]. Australia is working towards DisabilityCare, but that’s 115 years after its founding, hasn’t got complete funding and has no definition yet as to what it covers. And I believe that Australia is one of the advanced countries when it comes to the idea of providing disabled people with access to help that lets them participate in the community & economy.
”No one wants to buy it and run it because the original business is no longer profitable for reasons I’m hand-waving away out of pure bastardry; but no one can run an alternative business on the land because it’s polluted. What is the solution then?”
I don’t agree that it ever becomes a net negative for a particular plot of land. The worst case scenario is worthless, in which case everyone walks away. The thing you’re talking about is that land poisoning the other land around it if not managed. In which case the owners of surrounding land has the option of managing it or walking away from their land if it becomes worthless. This isn’t fair on the owners of the surrounding land, but they should have had some warning that someone was poisoning the land (i.e. when the nuclear waste was being shipped in 100 years ago or when the company went bankrupt) so it’s also not a surprise.
”…in a previous post on Rhodes I pointed out that this phenomenon of half-finished and abandoned buildings made Greece look untidy, poor and chaotic. Is it the case that a libertarian society would resemble Greece or some other failing European peripheral state?”
Hmmm. I suspect the answer is no. In a libertarian society, walking away from your land would return it to an unused status, wouldn’t it? That means someone else can claim it and use it to generate profit. I suspect that in practice it’d vary depending on what the criteria of “becoming unused” is (i.e. vanishing to avoid debts and never coming back versus not visiting for a week or somewhere in between). To turn the question around, isn’t this how socialist nations look anyway? Even North Korea has a similar half completed hotel.
[1] A nation state only does it for net benefit too, but tends to be bigger so can calculate broader ranges of net benefit. [2]
[2] Interestingly, this logic suggests that as companies become bigger they are more likely to assume social responsibilities such as oversight of shared resources. Such a step would align with the mega-corporation actions predicted in cyberpunk where the company helps its workers to maximise its profit and is willing to screw outsiders (but not go out of their way to do so, as that has no benefit either). This suggests the primary difference between nations and companies is that companies have non-geographical borders for citizenship and easier entry/exit criteria.
[3] Other than forcing someone else to pay for them by punishing companies. But companies and individuals can do that too through the courts (yes I know the courts are national instruments, but I don’t have good examples of places that are not nations to say how companies deal in their absence).
June 11, 2014 at 10:19 am
You know, nobody gets to choose where they’re born. American colonists faced the same problem you identify. You may think the kid’s got a point when he flashes those baby blues at you and curses you and the life you chose for him, but just remember to respond with my mom’s old standby: “Fuck off, twat-waffle. You’re living in SPACE. Don’t you know there are starving kids in Africa?” That is to say, the human condition is pretty much the same whether you’re on Earth or in space and bitching about it up there does about as much good as bitching about it down here.